Wikipedia math section full of errors

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The discussion revolves around the perceived inaccuracies in Wikipedia's mathematics section, with participants expressing frustration over errors, typos, and the reliability of the platform as a reference source. The scope includes concerns about the quality of information, the editing process, and comparisons with traditional textbooks.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that Wikipedia is "full of errors," expressing frustration over the reliability of its content.
  • Others argue that while Wikipedia contains errors, it is an exaggeration to claim it is "full" of them, suggesting that no source is entirely error-free.
  • A participant points out that Wikipedia's collaborative editing process allows for corrections by knowledgeable users, potentially making it more reliable than some textbooks.
  • Concerns are raised about the motivations of Wikipedia editors, with some being knowledgeable, some misinformed, and others potentially vandalizing content.
  • One participant mentions that the error rate in a specific textbook is significantly higher than that of Wikipedia, suggesting a comparative perspective on information reliability.
  • There is a suggestion to consider alternative resources, such as MathWorld, for mathematical content.
  • A later reply questions the effectiveness of Wikipedia as a learning tool, emphasizing that it should not be relied upon for serious study.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the reliability of Wikipedia. While some acknowledge its errors, others defend its value compared to traditional sources, indicating a range of competing views on the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of concern regarding the editing process and the nature of contributions to Wikipedia, highlighting the complexity of assessing its reliability.

elfboy
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wikipedia is full of errors
 
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elfboy said:
wikipedia is full of errors
And?
 
someone needs to do something about it. People put formulas up with typos and or without testing them. It's frustrating when you can't take anything for granted
 
elfboy said:
wikipedia is full of errors

Fix them. Or at least some of them.
 
elfboy said:
someone needs to do something about it. People put formulas up with typos and or without testing them. It's frustrating when you can't take anything for granted
Wikipedia should only be carefully used as a reference about a subject, if you know nothing about a subject, you might find an overview and then some links to books and papers on the subject.

You should not use wikipedia for learning. Wikipedia is often vadalized and erroneous information is posted, some areas are so bad that they have to be locked to prevent changes.
 
elfboy said:
wikipedia is full of errors

Well, think about it. If I wanted to I could go into their site and edit everything to be wrong. Plus, why do you think that English teachers don't allow Wikipedia as a source to site? Because anyone can go ahead and edit things to be wrong. There has to be at least one person who will do this just for the heck of it.
 
Shouldn't you be taking this up with the staff of Wikipedia? I don't know how a free encyclopedia is supposed to offer even reasonably accurate information. I'm not sure Wikipedia was ever expected to be so accurate anyway.
 
elfboy said:
wikipedia is full of errors
As it stands, that is a baseless accusation. Where? Give us one or two examples. Note well: I am not the world's biggest fan of wikipedia. That said, I am not the world's biggest fan of baseless accusations either.

Even if what you said is true, so what? This site is physicsforums.com, not fix_wikipedia_errors.com.
 
Full of errors is an exaggeration. It contains errors, no doubts about it. My pH calculation pages - that I have checked, rechecked, rerechecked and corrected errors that were pointed by readers - contain errors as well. There is no such thing as error free source of information. And when compared to other sources, wikipedia isn't that bad.
 
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Other than horribly inconsistent notation, I do not think I have noticed any (significant) math errors. It is a lot easier to BS a history article than one on math.
 
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PiggyKnight said:
But Wiki really kills the book industry.

Does it? In what way do you imagine wikipedia could compensate for books? Wikipedia is not a proper tool for learning; at least to the extent it is, it's not a good one. To put it succinctly, wikipedia is no educator.
 
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Jarle said:
Does it? In what way do you imagine wikipedia could compensate for books? Wikipedia is not a proper tool for learning; at least to the extent it is, it's not a good one. To put it succinctly, wikipedia is no educator.
Sorry Jarle, that was the crackpot sockpuppet of a banned member.
 
  • #13
try mathworld instead then
 
  • #14
For perspective: Yan's computational number theory textbook (second edition) has an error rate that I would estimate at 30 times that of Wikipedia.
 
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CRGreathouse said:
For perspective: Yan's computational number theory textbook (second edition) has an error rate that I would estimate at 30 times that of Wikipedia.

I guess that's because wiki is checked by hundreds of people, most of which have a reasonable knowledge and can spot and correct mistakes, while books rely on small (often too small) number of people editing them.

Actually it just dawned on me that it is an interesting problem. Users that edit wikipedia can be classified as members of several groups - some of them know what they are doing (and their contributions are valuable), some of them think they know what they are doing (that is, their intentions are good, but the effect is not), some of them are there to simply vandalize. Number of errors can be described by some dynamical equilibrium between actions of those three groups.
 
  • #16
All you need to do is read one of the .9999… = 1 denial threads in the math section of this forum to know where that equilibrium lies.
 
  • #17
CRGreathouse said:
For perspective: Yan's computational number theory textbook (second edition) has an error rate that I would estimate at 30 times that of Wikipedia.
Is this a good time to plug my website?
http://www.erratapage.com"
 
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Jimmy Snyder said:
http://www.erratapage.com"

I've wanted to write a site that tracked errata but never got around to it. Nice show.
 
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Borek said:
I guess that's because wiki is checked by hundreds of people, most of which have a reasonable knowledge and can spot and correct mistakes, while books rely on small (often too small) number of people editing them.

Actually it just dawned on me that it is an interesting problem. Users that edit wikipedia can be classified as members of several groups - some of them know what they are doing (and their contributions are valuable), some of them think they know what they are doing (that is, their intentions are good, but the effect is not), some of them are there to simply vandalize. Number of errors can be described by some dynamical equilibrium between actions of those three groups.

not to mention that when a professor writes a book, he'll sometimes hand over a bunch of the problems to some grad students to solve. :shy:
 

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