Will a Passenger Slide Off the Seat Without a Seat Belt?

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The problem involves a car decelerating from a speed of 20 m/s over a distance of 50 m, with a focus on whether a 70 kg passenger will slide off the seat without a seat belt. The discussion centers around the concepts of static and kinetic friction, as well as the forces acting on the passenger during deceleration.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the maximum static friction force and its implications for the passenger's acceleration. Questions arise about how to calculate the acceleration delivered by the static friction and the role of kinetic friction in the scenario.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided calculations for the forces involved and have engaged in reasoning about the relationship between static friction and the passenger's potential to slide off the seat. There is ongoing exploration of how the coefficients of friction apply to the situation.

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Participants express uncertainty about the calculations and the application of the kinetic friction coefficient, indicating a need for clarity on these concepts. The urgency of the homework deadline is also noted.

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Homework Statement



A car traveling at 20 m/s stops in a distance of 50m. Assume that the acceleration is constant. The coefficients of friction between a passenger and the seat are u_s = 0.5 and u_k = 0.3. Will a 70 kg passenger slide off the seat if not wearing a seat belt? Prove it.

Homework Equations



f_s(max) = u_s*N
x_f = x_i + v_i*t + 1/2 at^2

The Attempt at a Solution



I used the first equations to find that f_s(max) is equal to 343N and the second to find that the acceleration is -4m/s^2. I don't know where to go from here. Please, I need this for class tomorrow morning! Thanks.
 
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The force acting on the passenger to decelerate him is the static friction of the seat. How much acceleration can a force of up to 343N deliver to a 70kg passenger? As much as 4m/sec? (Put units on numbers, please, makes things clearer).
 
Dick said:
The force acting on the passenger to decelerate him is the static friction of the seat. How much acceleration can a force of up to 343N deliver to a 70kg passenger? As much as 4m/sec? (Put units on numbers, please, makes things clearer).

That's the problem, I don't know how to find that out.
 
Sean77771 said:
That's the problem, I don't know how to find that out.

Uh, F=ma?
 
Haha, should've known that one. Ok, so a comes out to be 4.9m/s^2, which is greater than 4m/s^2. So does that mean that the seat can hold the passenger up to 4.9m/s^2, therefore he does not slide off the seat? Where does u_k come in?
 
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Just as you say, static friction is enough to hold the passenger. If you were to push the passenger so he starts sliding then you would use u_k to conclude kinetic friction isn't enough to stop him from continuing to slide.
 
Ok, great, thanks so much for your help!
 

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