Slipping off a Car Seat: What Determines Passenger Safety?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a car decelerating and the factors affecting passenger safety in terms of slipping off the seat. The problem specifically examines the coefficients of static and kinetic friction between a passenger and the seat, as well as the effects of passenger weight on this scenario.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the deceleration of the car, the coefficients of friction, and the weight of the passenger. They question how mass factors into the equations and whether certain statements about slipping are true or false.

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Participants have engaged in clarifying the implications of their calculations and reasoning regarding the problem statements. Some have provided insights into how to eliminate mass from the equations, while others have confirmed the calculated minimum coefficient of static friction required to prevent slipping.

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There is an ongoing examination of the assumptions regarding the coefficients of friction and the conditions under which a passenger may slip off the seat. The discussion also highlights the need for precise interpretations of the problem statements and their implications.

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Homework Statement


A car traveling at 20 m/s stops in a distance of 60 m. Assume that the deceleration is constant. The coefficients of static and kinetic friction between a passenger and the seat are Us and Uk respectively. You may assume that the passenger is not in contact with anything else. Which of the following statements below is true?

a) The passenger will slip off the seat if he is light and remain on the seat if he is heavy.
b) The passenger will not slip off the seat regardless of the values of Us and Uk .
c) The passenger will slip off the seat regardless of the values of Us and Uk .
d) The passenger will not slip off the seat if Us> 0.4
e) The passenger will slip off the seat if Uk<0.3

Homework Equations



Kinematics : v^2 = u^2 +2as
Newton's second Law: F=ma
Force of Friction: Us*Normal Force

The Attempt at a Solution


a) The passenger will slip off the seat if he is light and remain on the seat if he is heavy.
The statement is too ambiguous.
b) The passenger will not slip off the seat regardless of the values of Us and Uk .
As long as F>UsN, the passenger will slip
c) The passenger will slip off the seat regardless of the values of Us and Uk .
As long as F>UsN, the passenger will slip
d) The passenger will not slip off the seat if Us> 0.4
e) The passenger will slip off the seat if Uk<0.3

I will attempt to find out the minimum Us that is required so that the passenger will not slip.

0 = 20^2 + (2)(a)(s)
a = 10/3
(m*g*Us)=ma
Us = 10/3g =0.34, which doesn't fit into any option above.

May i know if i made any errors in concept or calculation


 
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a) can be answered.
For all of them, you need to spot how to eliminate mass from the equation. Let the mass of the person be m. What is the normal force? What (given the speed and stopping distance) is the decelerating force needed?
 
0 = 20^2 + (2)(a)(s)
a = 10/3

frictional force = decelerating force
(m*g*Us)=ma <=== the mass is eliminated here from the equation
The normal force is mg, from the individual.

Us = 10/3g =0.34.

Is that right??
 
Yam said:
0 = 20^2 + (2)(a)(s)
a = 10/3

frictional force = decelerating force
(m*g*Us)=ma <=== the mass is eliminated here from the equation
The normal force is mg, from the individual.

Us = 10/3g =0.34.

Is that right??
Sorry, I should have noticed you'd posted all that. I only looked at the answers you were proposing in red. For each question, you only need to answer true or false. Can you correct your answer to a)?
The 0.34 doesn't need to match anything exactly. What do you think the 0.34 represents?
 
I would say that 0.34 represents the minimum coefficient of static friction that the seat must have.

I see, so the best answer would be option A.
 
Yam said:
0 = 20^2 + (2)(a)(s)
a = 10/3

frictional force = decelerating force
(m*g*Us)=ma <=== the mass is eliminated here from the equation
The normal force is mg, from the individual.

Us = 10/3g =0.34.

Is that right??
That's the correct acceleration, except for the sign, but that doesn't matter here.

The value for μS looks good.

That is covered by one of the choices.
 
Yam said:
I would say that 0.34 represents the minimum coefficient of static friction that the seat must have.
Yam said:
The minimum such that she will not slide off, yes. So what would be the answers to d and e?
I see, so the best answer would be option A.
Option A? No, there are five questions and you must answer true or false to each.
 
a) The passenger will slip off the seat if he is light and remain on the seat if he is heavy.
False, a heavy passenger can still slip off with a low Us

b) The passenger will not slip off the seat regardless of the values of Us and Uk .
False, Us<0.34 will cause the passenger to slip

c) The passenger will slip off the seat regardless of the values of Us and Uk .
False, for the passenger to slip

d) The passenger will not slip off the seat if Us> 0.4
True, Calculated Us>0.34

e) The passenger will slip off the seat if Uk<0.3
Uk is not invloved.

Is this right?
 
Yam said:
a) The passenger will slip off the seat if he is light and remain on the seat if he is heavy.
False, a heavy passenger can still slip off with a low Us

b) The passenger will not slip off the seat regardless of the values of Us and Uk .
False, Us<0.34 will cause the passenger to slip

c) The passenger will slip off the seat regardless of the values of Us and Uk .
False, for the passenger to slip

d) The passenger will not slip off the seat if Us> 0.4
True, Calculated Us>0.34

e) The passenger will slip off the seat if Uk<0.3
Uk is not invloved.

Is this right?
Pretty much, but your reason for (a) could be refined. As your equation tells you, the mass of the passenger has no relevance.
 
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Oyes, i understand now, thank you for your help!
 

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