Will computers make mathematicians obsolete?

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The discussion centers on the potential impact of computers, particularly quantum computers, on the field of mathematics and the role of mathematicians. Participants explore whether advancements in computing technology could render mathematicians obsolete or change the nature of mathematical work.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that quantum computers could solve all mathematical problems through extensive computation, potentially threatening mathematicians' careers.
  • Others argue that many mathematical problems involve infinite cases, making it impossible for any computer to check all solutions, regardless of speed.
  • There is a viewpoint that quantum computers will only enhance current computational capabilities rather than replace the need for human mathematicians.
  • Some participants emphasize that mathematics encompasses more than calculations, involving complex proofs and logical deductions that are not easily automated.
  • Concerns are raised about the overestimation of quantum computing's capabilities, suggesting that popular science may misrepresent its potential.
  • A few participants mention NP completeness and the limitations of quantum computers in solving certain classes of problems efficiently.
  • Some assert that computers will never fully replace mathematicians, as they require human guidance and insight.
  • There are humorous remarks about the nature of computers and their ability to replicate human thought processes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions, with no consensus reached on whether computers will make mathematicians obsolete. Some believe that computers will enhance mathematical work, while others are skeptical about their capabilities and the future of mathematics as a profession.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of mathematical proofs and the limitations of current and future computational technologies. Discussions include references to NP completeness and the probabilistic nature of quantum computing, indicating unresolved technical aspects.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying mathematics, computer science, or anyone curious about the future of technology in relation to academic fields.

  • #31
There is already a sizable branch of mathematics close to computer sciences that deals with developing algorithms for computers so that they can carry out math.

The more powerful the computers, the wider the scope for exotic math to be carried out by them, so if anything, the progress in computers has increased the need for mathematicians.

As to the mind being just another machine that can be replaced by a computer - this probably is true in theory, but we are still a far cry away from that. "Artificial intelligence" can so far only solve very few, very very well defined problems. Last time I checked, you could not tell a computer "sit in that car, learn to drive, drive yourself to that Chess tournament, learn the game, win, come back and do my homework on partial differential equations".

PS: I did not want to give the impression that I could do that :)
 
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  • #32
doubled5 said:
The mind is not made up of fairy dust and unicorns. It is itself a machine. Any and all insights you or anyone have towards math can be replicated by a computer.


That's the theory, but no one knows how to do it. So one may or may not believe that.
 
  • #33
Mr.Watson said:
I would still like to hear your thoughts about this kind of theorem finding. Is it feasible and could it replace human mathematicians?

I looked into it in about 1995. It's called automatic theorem proving. I found that everyone in the field had given up, and had abandoned their graduate students.

The most positive results were Doug Lenat's from CMU. It so happens that I worked for a former CMU professor who told me that the consensus there was that Lenat's results were bogus.

The basic problem is that mathematicians do not know how they prove difficult theorems. Brute force search, such as used in chess, seems entirely unfeasible even in theory.

So I gave up on that.
 
  • #34
To OP: No. We have programs which simulate physics very accurately. But it did not make physicists obsolete.
 

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