Will house burn down enclosing camera in foam ball?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the safety concerns of enclosing a web camera inside a foam ball, specifically regarding heat buildup and the potential for fire hazards. The camera operates on 5V DC and consumes approximately 500mA, while the foam ball is made of expanded polystyrene with specific dimensions provided by the original poster.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the thermal conductivity of the foam and the power dissipation of the camera, with calculations suggesting a temperature rise of around 7 to 8 degrees Celsius. Questions are raised about the camera's placement and visibility, as well as the rated temperature range for the camera.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the thermal implications of the setup, with some participants suggesting practical trials to measure temperature changes. Concerns about the camera's operation within the foam ball and the potential for light penetration are also discussed, indicating a mix of technical inquiry and curiosity about the project's outcomes.

Contextual Notes

The original poster emphasizes the safety aspect of the inquiry and expresses a desire for independent assessment without influencing the discussion with specific equations. The conversation also touches on the potential for unexpected results from the camera's operation within the foam ball.

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Homework Statement


This is not exactly homework, but is homework level so this is probably the best place to ask rather than the more learned sections. However, I'm prepared to defer to your better judgement.

I want to put a web camera inside a foam ball. The camera is a retail product so it's passed relevant EU safety standards. My concern is will heat build up cause the foam to melt, or burn my house down by starting a fire.

The camera runs off 5V DC consuming approximately 500mA.
The hollow sphere is of outside diameter 300mm with a wall thickness of 20mm. I would characterise this as a thin walled vessel.
The sphere's made of expanded polystyrene /Styrofoam.
This is all the data I know for certain.

What will the temperature rise be inside the sphere above ambient?

Homework Equations


As this is a safety issue, I'm not giving any equations that I have used. I do not want to influence /prejudice anyone's thinking. I'd very much welcome an independent assessment.

The Attempt at a Solution


I've considered the thermal conductivity of the material, the power dissipation of the camera and the sphere's mean surface area. I've also assumed that the thermal conductance through the camera's mounting to the outside is negligible.

I've calculated a 7 degree rise inside the sphere. I deem this acceptable but what do you think?
 
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Is the camera going in the centre of the hollow ball? If so how will the camera see out? Lens angle will determine the size of the hole needed?
 
Inside diameter is 260mm (0.26m).
Area 4piR^2 = 0.21 sqm

Thermal conductivity polystyrene (k) about 0.03 W/(mK)

Power = k * Area * T / thickness

T = Power * thickness / (k * area)

= 2.5 * 0.02 / (0.03 * 0.21)

= 8 degrees.

What's the rated temperature range for the camera?

If your house does burn down don't blame me!
 
CWatters said:
Is the camera going in the centre of the hollow ball? If so how will the camera see out? Lens angle will determine the size of the hole needed?

Mea culpa. It's difficult to write down all the things that aren't obvious to me.

Yes, the camera is at the centre of the sphere and the camera is totally enclosed. The camera does not need to see out of the sphere. I realize that there will be differential heating of the sphere due to convection currents within, but I don't have the resources to model that kind of heat flow. I'm really only looking for a non dynamic steady state approximation that I hope averages out to 7ish degrees.

The specification available to me only gives a storage temperature range (-20 to +60 degrees C). The apparatus will be operated at UK room temperature not likely to exceed 40 degrees. With a 7 degree thermal gain it should be okay I feel.
 
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Foam shells are cheap? Set up a trial with a thermometer inserted through a covered hole so you can retrieve it after 5 or 6 hrs to note the reading.

We are all curious to learn what will be revealed by filming the inside of a closed foam ball? :smile:
 
NascentOxygen said:
Foam shells are cheap? Set up a trial with a thermometer inserted through a covered hole so you can retrieve it after 5 or 6 hrs to note the reading.

We are all curious to learn what will be revealed by filming the inside of a closed foam ball? :smile:

I'm hoping random noise will be revealed. This will then be used as an entropy source for a true random number generator.

http://www.reallyreallyrandom.com if I may.
 
I suspect some light will get through 20mm of foam so there might be some sort of day/night cycle but that could easily be fixed with some paint.

Pretty sure web cams will have some sort of noise filter built in. Noise is the enemy of compression techniques. The filter won't eliminate all noise but it might remove some frequencies making it uncertain how random it is.
 
CWatters said:
I suspect some light will get through 20mm of foam so there might be some sort of day/night cycle but that could easily be fixed with some paint.

This may be getting off topic; however... Good call, but I've got that issue covered - get it? :wink:

As for the filter, I don't think that it's possible to substantially remove the noise I'm looking for. What's a PITA is the JPEG algorithm itself. It acts simultaneously as both an ersatz low pass filter reducing the entropy available to me for extraction, and increasing pseudo entropy due to it's coding specification making entropy characterisation problematic. I'll post my findings on the reallyreallyrandom website.
 

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