Will humans ever really understand why the universe exists?

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The discussion centers on whether humans can ever understand why the universe exists, with participants arguing that while we can explain how the universe operates, the question of "why" may be inherently flawed. Many believe that seeking a "why" is a human construct, and that the universe's existence does not necessitate a philosophical reason. The conversation touches on the limitations of human knowledge and self-awareness, suggesting that the quest for meaning may stem from evolutionary instincts rather than objective truths. Ultimately, it is posited that while we may uncover the mechanics of the universe, the deeper philosophical questions may remain unanswered. The consensus leans towards the idea that the universe exists without needing a prescribed meaning.
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WaveJumper said:
In this thread. I did fail to include "in this thread" only atheists are making definitive statements about god.
I have commented many times in this thread, am an atheist, and do not make definitive statements about God.
 
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WaveJumper said:
your sensory perceptions aren't supported by experiments in QM either.

Sensory perceptions are the product of brains which both arise from and operate under the same principals. The distinction and categorization we practice regarding phenomenon are distinct and categorical only in our mental models of reality, which is an emergent property of primate brains. If a theoretical model fails to describe some aspect of our universe it is a testament only to our failure in modeling. The, often vacuous, arbitrary abstractions one fleeces together from sensory input are what is not supported by observation, not the raw electrochemical signaling events themselves.
 
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Pupil said:
No, you're asserting a different definition of atheism, and I'm telling you it is wrong.


There are three options. 1) You claim p is true, 2) You claim p is false, 3) You do not affirm or negate the truth of p. The latter two are atheistic (if p = the existence of God).


Ok, i am getting too technical and lost you. I have you know that i was not talking about god, but rather the explication of proposition p as a belief. I have you know that p cannot make any ontological claim at all. That is why your definition fail to be meaningful. Again, this is not about god, religion, or anything. This a purely technical matter.
 
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No, you're asserting a different definition of atheism.

No. My definition is the right. Take that!
 
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I don't see this ever getting back on topic.
 
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