Will Y-Direction Motion Cease with X-Direction Acceleration Only?

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The discussion revolves around the motion of an object initially moving in both the x and y directions, with acceleration applied only in the x direction. Participants explore whether the y-direction motion will eventually cease as the x-direction velocity increases.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Some participants discuss the constancy of the y-component of velocity and question whether it can ever reach zero if there is no acceleration in that direction. Others illustrate this with examples, such as a rock projected from a cliff, to highlight the nature of the motion.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering various perspectives on the implications of the motion in both directions. There is a recognition of the complexity involved in considering limits and the behavior of the velocity components over time.

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Some participants note that the analysis may depend on the specific goals of the inquiry, such as whether to focus on the direction of motion or the actual distance traveled in the y-direction over time.

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JimWhoKnew said:
I realize now that if ##~\dot{\theta}(0)=0## , then ##~\vec{a}(0)~## must be tangential. So the residual freedom seems to be very limited.
Yes, as I wrote in post #21, you can (only) elect to switch the sign of the tangential acceleration arbitrarily, but if you choose not to you must arrive at ##\dot{\omega}=0##.
JimWhoKnew said:
I don't know what you mean by "cause and effect",
As in, the given differential equation accurately represents the dynamics, so applying it in a simulation should produce the same result.
But here we do not know the basis of the equation, and indeed it cannot represent dynamics because the quadratic in the differential equation has two solutions.
JimWhoKnew said:
but as in #23
##\dot x^2+x^2=1,\quad x(0)=0,\quad t\ge 0.##
has a solution ##x(t)=\sin t## for all ##t\ge 0##, and also
##\dot{x}=\sqrt{1-x^2}##
near the maximum. But obviously ##x(t)## doesn't get stuck at ##x=1## .
The SHM analogy is interesting. In the first order ODE form it has the same issue: two solutions, and simulation would not discover the cyclic nature. But the usual second order ODE has neither of those problems. The algebraic process of deriving the first order from the second order involves multiplying by ##\dot x##, thus creating the "stuck" solution.
JimWhoKnew said:
The resolution comes from higher order derivatives.

Yes, that dawned on me overnight. E.g. if we require ##\ddot\omega## to be continuous then we only get the cyclic solution.
 

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