Wind scaling and increasing wind speed for wind tunnel problem

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The discussion revolves around the challenges of scaling wind speed for a wind tunnel testing the aerodynamics of 1/24 scale model cars. Participants explore the implications of Reynolds number and its relevance to accurately representing full-scale conditions in a smaller model.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant is uncertain about the appropriate wind speed to represent 100 mph for a 1/24 scale model and expresses confusion over the relationship between scale and speed.
  • Another participant suggests using the Reynolds number as a scaling parameter, explaining its formula and the need to maintain the same Reynolds number for both the model and the full-sized car.
  • The calculation provided indicates that to achieve a matching Reynolds number, the wind speed would need to be 2400 mph, which raises concerns about the practicality of such a requirement.
  • A participant questions the logic behind the high wind speed requirement, suggesting that it seems counterintuitive given the reduced distance in the scaled model.
  • Another participant proposes that if the goal is merely to compare shapes for drag and lift, matching the Reynolds number may not be necessary and suggests considering a water tunnel as an alternative testing method.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of matching Reynolds number for their testing purposes, indicating a lack of consensus on the best approach to scale wind speed for the wind tunnel.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexities of scaling, including compressibility effects and the limitations of wind tunnel testing with air as the operating fluid. There is also uncertainty regarding the specific measurements and outcomes desired from the experiments.

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i am making a wind tunnel in order to test aerodynamics of 1/24 scale cars.
i am having two problem:

1. i am not sure what wind speed at that scale to represent 100mph.

2. i am using a fan that has an outlet wind speed of 19.4 mph. i tried to increase wind speed by decreasing the outlet speed of my tunnel from 144 square inches, to 36 square inches. but in doing this i measured the outlet velosity and it was only 9mph. what am i doing wrong? how do i increase wind speed?
 
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The proper scaling parameter you want to use is the Reynolds number. You want the Reynolds number to remain the same regardless of which scale your model is. The Reynolds number is defined as:
\mathrm{Re} = \frac{\rho V D}{\mu}

Where \rho is density, V is velocity, D is some characteristic length scale (often the length of the car or diameter of a pipe etc) and \mu is viscosity. You want to make sure you have the same Reynolds number on your small model as the full sized car. That leaves you with:
\mathrm{Re_{full}} = \mathrm{Re_{scale}}
\frac{\rho V_{\mathrm{full}} D_{\mathrm{full}}}{\mu} = \frac{\rho V_{\mathrm{scale}} D_{\mathrm{scale}}}{\mu}
V_{\mathrm{full}} D_{\mathrm{full}}= V_{\mathrm{scale}} D_{\mathrm{scale}}
V_{\mathrm{scale}}= V_{\mathrm{full}} \frac{D_{\mathrm{full}}}{D_{\mathrm{scale}}}

Now, before you said you wanted a 1/24 scale model, so you can use that to get:
V_{\mathrm{scale}}= 24V_{\mathrm{full}}

In other words, to make a truly scaled model in air, you would need to have the air moving 2400 mph. Of course that doesn't take into account the fact that now you have compressibility effects. What does this mean? it means you can't perfectly scale it. In reality, after a certain Reynolds number most quantities of interest tend to plateau, so you don't always have to match it (and in most cases you can't if you are using a wind tunnel with air as the operating fluid).

So then the question becomes what are you hoping to measure?
 
that was the number that i got in doing it but i thought that i was doing it wrong because that makes no sence. it seams that it would be slower because the distance is less from one end of the scale car to the other. so to scale the car to full scale the speed would have to increase to signify the same meters per seconds.

i am trying to measure drag force and down force of wings and such.
 
Well if you are just trying to compare shapes and see which is best in terms of drag and lift, then you don't need to match Reynolds number. Otherwise you might consider using a water tunnel?
 

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