Wind speed (100mph) to Pressure (psi)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the conversion of wind speed (specifically 100 mph) to pressure in psi, exploring the underlying physics and mathematical relationships. Participants seek to understand the implications of wind pressure in various contexts, including theoretical scenarios and practical applications.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the pressure difference due to wind can be calculated using the formula 1/2 ρv², where ρ is the density of air and v is the wind speed.
  • One participant suggests that a 100 mph wind results in approximately 0.17 psi, questioning whether this value seems low.
  • Another participant raises a scenario about blowing 100 mph wind into a sealed box, seeking to understand the resulting pressure inside the box.
  • Some participants discuss the complexities of wind flow around objects and the assumptions involved in applying Bernoulli's equation.
  • There is mention of historical incidents, such as the Tay bridge disaster, to illustrate the potential consequences of miscalculating wind pressure.
  • One participant challenges the initial calculation of 0.17 psi, suggesting a revised value of 1.698 psi based on their own calculations.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about the relationship between wind speed and pressure, particularly at higher speeds, noting that air compressibility may affect the accuracy of the calculations.
  • There are discussions about the total force exerted by wind pressure over a large area, emphasizing that pressure alone does not determine damage potential.
  • Some participants explore hypothetical scenarios involving wind turbines and the pressure required to operate them effectively.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the accuracy of the pressure calculations, with some supporting the initial value of 0.17 psi and others proposing alternative calculations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct conversion of wind speed to pressure and the implications of these values in practical scenarios.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made regarding air density, wind flow dynamics, and the effects of compressibility at high speeds. The discussion also reflects varying levels of mathematical understanding among participants, which may influence the interpretations of the calculations.

  • #31
Dan Thomas said:
I wanted to know if the calculation was based on 1 atm?
If it does, then will the .17 psi double as each additional 1atm is used for the math?

The Bernoulli equation (adapted for this problem) states the following:
$$p_1 + \frac{1}{2}\rho v_1^2 = p_2 + \frac{1}{2}\rho v_2^2$$
This means that along a streamline:

{The static pressure + the dynamic pressure} at state 1 equals {The static pressure + the dynamic pressure} at state 2.

The static pressure is the atmospheric pressure when there is no wind.

For example, in a wind tunnel when the air doesn't move the static pressure ##p_1## is, say, 15 psi. Obviously, the dynamic pressure is 0 since the wind speed is zero. This is state 1. Total pressure is thus 15 + 0 = 15 psi.

Then somebody starts the fan and the wind speed increases to 100 mph. This is state 2. The dynamic pressure is now at 0.17 psi, as calculated in previous posts. This means that the new static pressure is now 15 psi - 0.17 psi = 14.83 psi, such that:
$$\{15\ psi + 0\ psi\}_1 = \{14.83\ psi + 0.17\ psi\}_2$$
That is in a closed wind tunnel. In the atmosphere that is so vast, a gust of wind will not be in a solid tunnel but surrounded by stagnant air. This would be like if our wind tunnel walls were made of stretchy rubber, like a ballon. This means that the walls would be subjected to the outside pressure and thus, the static pressure will always remain at 15 psi because the wall will move and compress the air in the tunnel until the inside pressure equals the outside pressure. In such a case, with a wind speed of 100 mph, the total pressure will be 15 psi + 0.17 psi = 15.17 psi.

If the atmospheric pressure would be 30 psi, it wouldn't change anything to the dynamic pressure, which would remain at 0.17 psi. Only the total pressure would change.
 

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