WireEDM - Internal Machining Without Entry Cut

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the use of wire EDM (Electrical Discharge Machining) for internal machining without creating an entry cut from the outside. Participants explore methods for creating a starting hole to thread the wire into a solid workpiece, particularly in cases involving significant material height.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the feasibility of using the wire itself to create a starter hole due to its small diameter and the challenges of directing it through a large workpiece.
  • Another participant suggests that modern wire EDM machines can thread their own wire through a small starter hole, which may not be visible during the auto-threading process.
  • Gun drilling is proposed as a method to create a small, accurate starter hole, and the possibility of using Ram EDM with a tube electrode is mentioned as an alternative for producing such holes.
  • A participant confirms that small hole EDM techniques are indeed used to create the necessary starting holes for wire threading.
  • There is a note on the efficiency of EDM in drilling and cutting high-quality materials, but also a caution regarding the speed of brass wire consumption in the process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that small hole EDM techniques are employed to create starter holes, but there is disagreement regarding the methods and feasibility of threading wire through large workpieces without visible entry cuts.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about the visibility of starter holes and the specific capabilities of different EDM machines, as well as the potential challenges in using wire for threading in large materials.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in advanced machining techniques, particularly those working with wire EDM and internal machining processes.

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hi can someone tell me when using wireEDM to machine a part that when you need to remove material from the inside without creating a entry cut from the outside how will you make a starting hole to thread the wire in, will i have to drill a hole in it to thread it? but i have seen some videos on the net that they can remove material from inside using wireEDM which have like 40+ inches of height of solid material, and didn't have any outside entry cut.

much appreciated
 
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I find it hard to believe that the wire is being used to pilot the starter hole. The wire is only about 0.3 mm diameter and could not be directed straight through a 40” workpiece. While pushing the thin solid wire, the dielectric flush would not be able to penetrate the blind hole.

Wire EDM is advancing rapidly. Today's machines thread their own wire through the starter hole. You may not have noticed a small starter hole while the machine is auto-threading through the hole.

Gun drilling is capable of making a small accurate starter hole. Maybe the starter hole has been drilled using Ram EDM which gently feeds a tube electrode into the conductive material. The tube electrode carries the dielectric flush and is usually consumed at about twice the rate the hole is made.
 
yeah thanks for the reply, i asked my supervisor and he told me that it was small hole EDM was used to create holes.
 
Thanks for the confirmation.
The great thing about EDM is that it can accurately drill and cut the best quality tool steel and conductive carbide components.
Unfortunately, with brass wire consumed at a speed measured in metres per second, it is not for the faint hearted amateur experimenter. Enjoy the EDM magic while the customer pays.
 

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