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[sbrothy]

Wordle guessed in 3/6!
Can you do better?
Try this wordle: https://mywordle.strivemath.com/?word=asilp




#mywordle

Guessing now that we all know the game, this should be really easy:

https://mywordle.strivemath.com/?word=lcfsj

OK. Not bad. Thought I'd made it harder with a lot of similar vocals. I guess with the right initial guess that can be a weakness as well.

EDIT: Not that your initial guess gave that much away, just a thought.

 

[dwarde]

There is also an online word game called pilfer. You can play against friends or play against a bot. I am an old guy who plays to get my word skills back after an episode of aphasia. https://www.merriam-webster.com/games/pilfer

 

[OmCheeto]

Wordle 1,195 2/6




100% luck. My seed left only one solution.

 

[sbrothy]

Wordle 1,195 2/6




100% luck. My seed left only one solution.

We all know you have to say that. You get “lucky” suspiciously often. (By which I mean you’re good at this, not insinuating you’re cheating. Just making that clear!)

 

[sbrothy]

Wordle 1.195 4/6*

Spoiler

 

[kuruman]

Wordle 1,195 3/6

 

[jack action]

Wordle 1,195 2/6

[CLASH] 2 left - THANK WHARF
[THANK] The other word was just ugly. This one gives a much more positive feeling!

I've been reusing the same seed word for a while now as it seems to give good results. When I have the time, I wish to make a proper selection of my seed word based on probability rather than randomness.

 

[gmax137]

Wordle 1,195 3/6

 

[dwarde]

I got off to a bad start and then proceeded to screw it up.
Wordle 1,195 5/6

 

[Orodruin]

Wordle 1 196 2/6





First word that popped into my head after the seed and a filter word. Of course I had to have faith in it!

 

[OmCheeto]

Wordle 1,196 3/6





According to my spreadsheet, we are halfway through the game.
Of course, the are still deleting and adding words, so the halfway point is a bit dynamic, but I thought I'd mention it anyways.

 

[OmCheeto]

We all know you have to say that. You get “lucky” suspiciously often. (By which I mean you’re good at this, not insinuating you’re cheating. Just making that clear!)

Interesting. For the last 50 games, of the 'augmented' players, I'm in last place.

Rank	Player	Average
1	Orodruin	3.000
2	Kuruman	3.111
3	Jack Action	3.286
4	Wordlebot*	3.380
5	OmCheeto	3.480

Oh! I get it now. You must be talking about BAD luck.

*I included Wordlebot, as I thought people might be interested.

 

[sbrothy]

Interesting. For the last 50 games, of the 'augmented' players, I'm in last place.

Rank	Player	Average
1	Orodruin	3.000
2	Kuruman	3.111
3	Jack Action	3.286
4	Wordlebot*	3.380
5	OmCheeto	3.480

Oh! I get it now. You must be talking about BAD luck.

*I included Wordlebot, as I thought people might be interested.

Hmm. I must’ve had a very local view of the graph then.

 

[Orodruin]

Interesting. For the last 50 games, of the 'augmented' players, I'm in last place.

Rank	Player	Average
1	Orodruin	3.000
2	Kuruman	3.111
3	Jack Action	3.286
4	Wordlebot*	3.380
5	OmCheeto	3.480

Oh! I get it now. You must be talking about BAD luck.

*I included Wordlebot, as I thought people might be interested.

This is biased though. I am certainly not first as I do not post every day but play every day (my streak is at 521). I am more likely to post if I get a good result or if the solution itself has something I consider mildly interesting (today had both!), otherwise I might just not care enough to post.

 

[jack action]

Wordle 1,196 2/6

[CLASH] 2 left - FAITH RAJAH
[FAITH] Of course, RAJAH had no chance against FAITH.

I really love my seed word!

Interesting. For the last 50 games, of the 'augmented' players, I'm in last place.

Rank	Player	Average
1	Orodruin	3.000
2	Kuruman	3.111
3	Jack Action	3.286
4	Wordlebot*	3.380
5	OmCheeto	3.480

Oh! I get it now. You must be talking about BAD luck.

*I included Wordlebot, as I thought people might be interested.

I'm sorry, are you gathering my personal information - without my consent - to do data analysis about God knows what?

I feel naked.

 

[kuruman]

Wordle 1,196 3/6

 

[kuruman]

Interesting. For the last 50 games, of the 'augmented' players, I'm in last place.

Rank	Player	Average
1	Orodruin	3.000
2	Kuruman	3.111
3	Jack Action	3.286
4	Wordlebot*	3.380
5	OmCheeto	3.480

Oh! I get it now. You must be talking about BAD luck.

*I included Wordlebot, as I thought people might be interested.

If anybody cares, here are my cumulative data since I started playing. I intend to use the same seed word in the future, so once I got a "hole in one", I don't expect another.

I also started recording the percentage of words already used and my mean when about 44% of the words was already used. That plot (shown below) indicated a steady improvement. The last (differently colored) point is today's mean value. I expect a steeper slope as the percent of used words increases. Please don't call me a geek! I didn't put error bars on the plot, did I?

 

[Orodruin]

I didn't put error bars on the plot, did I?

Shame on you!

 

[gmax137]

Wordle 1,196 3/6

 

[sbrothy]

Wordle 1.196 5/6*

Spoiler

Haven’t been proud recently. Sub-par accomplishments all over the board.

 

[dwarde]

Wordle 1,196 4/6

 

[OmCheeto]

...

View attachment 351575

Have I ever mentioned, that I love graphs.

From my analysis, everyone has improved, except for one person.....
hmmmm.....
My only logical conclusion, is that my science experiment, must be better than everyone else's.
Yah! That's the ticket.
Getting worse in this game is better!

 

[OmCheeto]

Wordle 1,197 3/6

 

[ChaseLess]

Wordle 1,197 6/6

 

[jack action]

Wordle 1,197 3/6

[CLASH] 34 left
[DRONE] filter - 4 left: BRAIN BRAWN GRAIN PRAWN
[BRAIN] filter, possible answer, most likely to be chosen by a human

 

[sbrothy]

Wordle 1,197 3/6*

Spoiler

Better.

 

[gmax137]

Wordle 1,197 3/6

 

[gmax137]

Wordle 1,197 6/6

Welcome to the asylum!

 

[kuruman]

Wordle 1,197 3/6

 

[dwarde]

It was the first thing that came to mind after my seed word. Unfortunately I have been trying to get away from "the first thing that comes to mind" and played it last.
Wordle 1,197 5/6

 

[sbrothy]

Wordle 1,198 3/6*

Spoiler

Hm. New pattern?

 

[OmCheeto]

Wordle 1,198 3/6

 

[jack action]

Wordle 1,198 4/6

[CLASH] 229 left - my seed word was not too helpful this time.
[IRONE] filter - 13 left
[DAVIT] filter - 3 left: RIDER WEIRD WIDER
[RIDER] WEIRD was weird and WIDER was too blah; RIDER is the only option left for a human to choose.

 

[sbrothy]

Wordle 1,198 4/6

[CLASH] 229 left - my seed word was not too helpful this time.
[IRONE] filter - 13 left
[DAVIT] filter - 3 left: RIDER WEIRD WIDER
[RIDER] WEIRD was weird and WIDER was too blah; RIDER is the only option left for a human to choose.

Regarding the "weirder" words I'd expect (as I don't keep track like you do) that most of the "ordinary" words were used by now. Although, now that I write it out I can see the error in my thinking. Why would the "ordinary" words be used first?

 

[kuruman]

Wordle 1,198 3/6

Regarding the "weirder" words I'd expect (as I don't keep track like you do) that most of the "ordinary" words were used by now. Although, now that I write it out I can see the error in my thinking. Why would the "ordinary" words be used first?

I think that separating words as "weird" and "blah" is not a reliable criterion. I looked at the list of used words and I picked the first 5 that I would place in each category according to my sense of usage frequency in spoken English. Of course a thorough job would require one to go through the entire list. I am not inclined to do that at this point.

"Weird" "Blah"
ADOBE ABOUT
AORTA ANGRY
ASKEW AWAKE
BEGET BELOW
BIOME BEING

 

[sbrothy]

Wordle 1,198 3/6





I think that separating words as "weird" and "blah" is not a reliable criterion. I looked at the list of used words and I picked the first 5 that I would place in each category according to my sense of usage frequency in spoken English. Of course a thorough job would require one to go through the entire list. I am not inclined to do that at this point.

"Weird" "Blah"
ADOBE ABOUT
AORTA ANGRY
ASKEW AWAKE
BEGET BELOW
BIOME BEING

Yes, as I wrote I saw my fallacy as I wrote it but had too much inertia to stop. I'm not surprised there's more than one thing wrong with my "argument".

EDIT: Oh, you weren't addressing me. Nvm.
EDIT2: Also, just for the record: There's nothing wrong with my "fallacy". Don't believe what you hear!

 

[kuruman]

Yes, as I wrote I saw my fallacy as I wrote it but had too much inertia to stop. I'm not surprised there's more than one thing wrong with my "argument".

EDIT: Oh, you weren't addressing me. Nvm.
EDIT2: Also, just for the record: There's nothing wrong with my "fallacy". Don't believe what you hear!

I was merely augmenting your argument. My subjective opinion is that @jack action's quest for finding and applying word selection criteria that are subjective to some generic "human" is, well . . . subjective.

Too many wheels within wheels to help one choose one of two possible words.

 

[jack action]

When you are left with a choice where all values have equal weight, you still have to pick one. Flipping a coin is just as good as any for a purely random process. I play Wordle on 2 other platforms where it is clear that the words are chosen at random. I don't use the criteria of "most likely chosen by a human" on those platforms. I usually choose the first word on the list provided by my program.

However, it is my theory that human intervention plays a role in the word selection for NYT Wordle. I'm testing that theory and sharing my results. It seems to give good results up until now and certainly better than always picking the first one at the top of the list.

 

[sbrothy]

I’ve said this before but I’m gonna hazard another iteration:

We might be overthinking this…?

 

[gmax137]

Wordle 1,198 2/6




that was weird

 

[sbrothy]

Wordle 1,198 3/6





I think that separating words as "weird" and "blah" is not a reliable criterion. I looked at the list of used words and I picked the first 5 that I would place in each category according to my sense of usage frequency in spoken English. Of course a thorough job would require one to go through the entire list. I am not inclined to do that at this point.

"Weird" "Blah"
ADOBE ABOUT
AORTA ANGRY
ASKEW AWAKE
BEGET BELOW
BIOME BEING

I'm pretty sure you're right that "blah" is not a valid criterion for anything at all!

EDIT: Oh, you said "reliable". Well, I think my point still stands.

 

[dwarde]

Absolutely no comment. :(
Wordle 1,198 X/6

 

[OmCheeto]

Wordle 1,199 3/6

 

[jack action]

Wordle 1,199 2/6

[CLASH] 8 left - CLIFF CLINK CLOUD CLOUT CLOVE CLUED CLUMP CLUNG
[CLOUD]

If the word selection is purely random, this is luck. But I still don't feel it is.

Looking at the word list, I could see that CLOUD was the most probable answer. CLIFF and CLOVE would have been among my second choices, but the rest of the list doesn't give you that cozy feeling that CLOUD does.

If I was wrong, CLOUD was not filtering everything but I could have made it in 4 at worst. The filter word proposed by the program was UNION which was not better than CLOUD at filtering the list. (If not worst.)

I felt like I had no choice but CLOUD. I didn't even check the other words to see if they were better filters. (I checked it now, they're not.)

 

[kuruman]

Wordle 1,199 3/6

 

[gmax137]

Wordle 1,199 5/6

 

[kuruman]

However, it is my theory that human intervention plays a role in the word selection for NYT Wordle. I'm testing that theory and sharing my results. It seems to give good results up until now and certainly better than always picking the first one at the top of the list.

Sounds like an interesting theory but I think it's a bit flawed because the "human" that presumably makes the word choice is very unlikely to have been faced with the same 2-3 choices that you are faced with when you solve the puzzle. It looks like this "human" is actually you. You make the choice but you shift the credit or blame to some other person for it.

You say you test your theory. That's as it should be but what is your testing protocol? In my mind a good test would be to make a prediction and see it borne out by data collection. You could use your theory to that effect for the NYT Wordle and the other versions. Here is one protocol that I thought of.

Initialization

• Go through the list of candidate words and assign a priori weights of +1, or -1 to each depending on whether they are, respectively, "More likely" or "Less likely" to be the answer according to your criteria of likelihood.
• Initialize the running total (RT) to zero. This will be modified daily as the data collection proceeds.

Data collection

• Use your favorite method of solving the daily puzzle.
• Use filters to bring the number of candidates down to $n\leq 3.$

When $n=2$,

• If (+1, -1), choose the word with +1. If correct add +1 to RT (Running Total); if incorrect add (-1) to RT.
• If (-1, -1) or (+1, +1), choose randomly. If correct add +½ to RT; if incorrect add (-½) to RT.

When $n=3$,

• If (+1, -1,-1), choose the word with +1. If correct add +2 to RT; if incorrect add (-1) to RT.
• If (+1, +1,-1), choose randomly one of the +1 words. If correct add $(+\frac{1}{3})$ to RT; if incorrect add $(\text{-}\frac{2}{3})$ to RT.
• If (-1, -1,-1) or (+1, +1, +1), choose randomly. If correct add +⅓ to RT; if incorrect add (-⅓) to RT.

After a sizable number of daily RT entries the RT should be close to zero when the selection is random (assuming that I figured out the weights correctly.) It will be positive if you have guessed the underlying human intervention mechanism correctly and negative if you have not.

To @sbrothy : If the idea crosses your mind that we are overthinking this, you're probably right $~\dots~$ but it's fun to do so.

 

[jack action]

@kuruman You have no clue how much I wanted to do such a protocol!

I wanted to sort the possible answers in order of importance, giving each of the answers a numerical value. I do not have enough time to do so.

Sounds like an interesting theory but I think it's a bit flawed because the "human" that presumably makes the word choice is very unlikely to have been faced with the same 2-3 choices that you are faced with when you solve the puzzle.

It doesn't matter. No matter which list of words I have, I still rank them overall, comparing them to all possible words. If I have:

• HEAVEN
• HELL
• BANANA

My order is HEAVEN, BANANA, HELL. But if I get:

• HEAVEN
• ANGEL
• BANANA

Then my order is ANGEL, HEAVEN, BANANA. But if I get:

• BRUTE
• CORRUPT
• BANANA

I switch to BANANA, BRUTE, and CORRUPT as my most likely words.

If the chosen word is BANANA, then only the last scenario will work. But if my sorting criteria - even if only in my mind - are similar to the one from the Wordle editor, HEAVEN and ANGEL will already have been chosen and thus never appear on my possible choices for a solution (I track past solutions). Of course, not having a list per se means that as the solutions appear, my sorting order evolves as well. I would love to put that in an algorithm just to understand how my mind works. But time is a factor and I must prioritize the projects I select and how I execute them.

 

[dwarde]

Wordle 1,199 3/6

 

[ChaseLess]

Wordle 1,200 4/6