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[OmCheeto]

This has maybe  probably definitely been done before but now I have access to letter frequency I sort of want to write some code to figure out the optimum wordle guesses based on what you've guessed and what yellow/green letter you have got oh and also there's different code for hard vs normal mode... shouldn't be so difficult that I struggle a ton but also not easy enough that its boring... oh and maybe I use tampermonkey so then I can also just like run the code and sit back and relax and watch it do wordle how cool would that be?

This is of course, how us Borgles got started.....

 

[sbrothy]

This is of course, how us Borgles got started.....

You also use that monkey thingy. I'll have to check it out cause I have no idea.

 

[TensorCalculus]

I feel, especially with C++, that I write a class (read: a black box with some inputs and some outputs) and there I have a LEGO piece. If I write enough of them I suddenly have something pretty complex (although not always pretty), which fits together like - yeah LEGO. Depending on what I wanted I end up with a wxWidgets app showing the Mandelbrot set, a program to cheat at Wordle, or a some GNU math thingy finding roots in 23rd degree polynomials because, yeah well... I really don't know....

Perhaps it's Javascript THREE and a 3D website. One never knows where it ends up because I seldom have a plan. And if I've got one it's usually like a military battle plan which doesn't survive meeting the enemy - whoever that is at the moment.

Okay fair enough I see your point :D. Though I don't know C++ so I can't comment on how it feels to code in it :D
pleeease can I have that math thingy that finds the roots of 23rd degree polynomials Actually forget it that's a good enough idea that I'm adding it to the list of things I am going to code myself over the summer holidays... except I want to try 25th degree polynomials because, yeah well... I really don't know...

This is of course, how us Borgles got started.....

***proceeds to google "borgles meaning"***

 

[TensorCalculus]

You also use that monkey thingy. I'll have to check it out cause I have no idea.

Tampermonkey is great! It's basically a web extension that allows you to run your own scripts on websites and thus tinker with them how you'd like - adding random buttons to YouTube to do eccentric things is surprisingly fun!

 

[sbrothy]

I'm sold. I'll have to check it out.

 

[OmCheeto]

You also use that monkey thingy. I'll have to check it out cause I have no idea.

I have no idea what a 'monkey thingy' is. Would you elaborate, please?

[edit] Never mind. Wasn't paying attention. Was busy building 'Battle Wordle Bot 3.9, extended version 7.6'

 

[sbrothy]

[...] pleeease can I have that math thingy that finds the roots of 23rd degree polynomials [...]

#include <gsl/gsl_poly.h>
#include <gsl/gsl_errno.h>

By all means poly it up!

Documentation

 

[OmCheeto]

Wordle 1,494 3/6

LEAST 19
TRIGO 1

 

[TensorCalculus]

#include <gsl/gsl_poly.h>
#include <gsl/gsl_errno.h>

By all means poly it up!

Documentation

Time to learn C++
I have a feeling that installing/setting it up will end up being more difficult than the actual learning basic syntax bit

A nice word today! Tried the word @sbrothy suggested and it worked like a charm. Still on hard mode! Maybe I got a bit lucky with my second guess haha.

Wordle 1,494 3/6*

AUREI
BURST
BURNT

 

[Beyond3D]

Time to learn C++
I have a feeling that installing/setting it up will end up being more difficult than the actual learning basic syntax bit

A nice word today! Tried the word @sbrothy suggested and it worked like a charm. Still on hard mode! Maybe I got a bit lucky with my second guess haha.

Wordle 1,494 3/6*

AUREI
BURST
BURNT

why did you have to spoil

 

[sbrothy]

No cheating of any kind but I think it went pretty well (Had I consulted the letter frequency table before the second guess I might have gotten it in 2, ah well.):

Wordle 1,494 3/6*

Spoiler

 

[sbrothy]

Time to learn C++
I have a feeling that installing/setting it up will end up being more difficult than the actual learning basic syntax bit

A nice word today! Tried the word @sbrothy suggested and it worked like a charm. Still on hard mode! Maybe I got a bit lucky with my second guess haha.

Wordle 1,494 3/6*

AUREI
BURST
BURNT

Funny how we agreed on that but we were probably not the only ones.

 

[sbrothy]

why did you have to spoil

I liked the wrong post. I don't really understand what you're trying to say here....

 

[sbrothy]

Time to learn C++
I have a feeling that installing/setting it up will end up being more difficult than the actual learning basic syntax bit
[...]

I fear you're right. Especially without a lot of POSIX experience...

 

[TensorCalculus]

why did you have to spoil

What do you mean? I purposely put all of my guesses as spoilers so that they were blurred out so if you don't want spoilers, then don't click on the spoiler.

I fear you're right. Especially without a lot of POSIX experience...

I don't have admin rights either
This is going to be a long ride...

 

[sbrothy]

Can't you ask your admin to install this library in your favorite language (if you have one)? I suspect it's available in other languages as well, but I'm not sure.

 

[dwarde]

At this point I still had about 12 possible words that fit. Lucky guess.

Wordle 1,494 2/6

 

[TensorCalculus]

Can't you ask your admin to install this library in your favorite language (if you have one)? I suspect it's available in other languages as well, but I'm not sure.

I'll see if I can get it in python (call me basic, but my favourite language is indeed python)

At this point I still had about 12 possible words that fit. Lucky guess.

Wordle 1,494 2/6

HUH

 

[sbrothy]

I'll see if I can get it in python (call me basic, but my favourite language is indeed python)

HUH

Lot's of people seem to like python. I'm sure I too would take a shine to it if I started using it.

I had this predujice that it was like ruby. Meant for gluing programs in other languages together. But ruby may be obsolete. I really dunno.

 

[TensorCalculus]

Lot's of people seem to like python. I'm sure I too would take a shine to it if I started using it.

I had this predujice that it was like ruby. Meant for gluing programs in other languages together. But ruby may be obsolete. I really dunno.

I love python. But then at the same time, I don't know enough programming languages to be able to compare it to much. It was my first ever programming language and I use it for almost everything (except web dev because... flask is a nightmare)

I have a friend who did 400 or so hours of coding in Ruby for a coding challenge thing. I know nothing about the language but it's been rumoured to be hard to debug.

 

[OmCheeto]

At this point I still had about 12 possible words that fit. Lucky guess.

Wordle 1,494 2/6

One of the delightful things to do in this game is analysing other peoples plays.
While I show 18 possible first guesses, my guess as to your first guess is NERDY.

 

[dwarde]

One of the delightful things to do in this game is analysing other peoples plays.
While I show 18 possible first guesses, my guess as to your first guess is NERDY.

I am using a seed first word recommended by MIT about six months ago

Spoiler

tarse

. They have changed to

Spoiler

salet

but I am too old to change.

 

[TensorCalculus]

AAAAAAH- such an easy word as well!

Wordle 1,495 X/6*

AUREI
RACED
SATER
LATER
GATER
HATER

 

[sbrothy]

I cursorily* consulted the letter frequency table but it didn't really help much. Should have gone with my intuition:

Wordle 1,495 4/6*

Spoiler

*A weird word use to use I know. Dunno where it came from. Hastily would have been better I think. Though not much.

 

[OmCheeto]

Wordle 1,495 3/6

TAMER 3
WHEEL 1


I was a sissy and went for the guaranteed win in 3.

 

[TensorCalculus]

I cursorily* [..]
*A weird word use to use I know. Dunno where it came from. Hastily would have been better I think. Though not much.

A weird word indeed. Never heard of it, but it has been added to my vocabulary :)

Wordle 1,495 3/6

TAMER 3
WHEEL 1


I was a sissy and went for the guaranteed win in 3.

!!!

 

[OmCheeto]

I am using a seed first word recommended by MIT about six months ago

Spoiler

tarse

. They have changed to

Spoiler

salet

but I am too old to change.

Fascinating.
I wasn't familiar with any MIT research on the subject until you mentioned it.
I just googled and ran across this paper:

An Exact and Interpretable Solution to Wordle
Published Online: 13 Feb 2024

1. Introduction
Over the past year, the explosive popularity of Wordle has attracted the efforts of many to solve the game using a variety of methods: from Reinforcement Learning to custom mathematical frameworks,such as in [Anderson and Meyer (2022)] and [Katz and Conlen (2022)]. Yet at the same time lack of consensus on the “best” policies produced by these methods prompts interest in a framework that produces a certifiably optimal strategy. This lack of consensus has one main source: approaches to solving Wordle have always contained some degree of approximation due the computational difficulties of the task – which Lokshtanov and Subercaseaux (2022) show is NP-Hard. Ultimately, this approximation breaks any guarantee of optimality.
...

No idea what 'NP-Hard' means, but when I think about how to describe how computationally difficult Wordle is, to newbs, my brain starts to short circuit, so I don't.

BTW, your current seed doesn't show up in my long list of words. Did you mistype that?
[edit: never mind. I found a new list that includes it. I also found a list with 715 new legitimate answers. Not sure where they got the information, but I downloaded the information just in case. It includes a slew of past tense 'xxxED' words, which I have NOT seen an increase of activity recently.]

I'm currently using a rotating list of 25 seed words. This makes it, I'm hoping, nearly impossible for others to subconsciously guess my seed word.
[edit 2: Updated seed word list with my top 20 rated words, excluding the above mentioned past tensers]

 

[OmCheeto]

I'm currently using a rotating list of 25 seed words. This makes it, I'm hoping, nearly impossible for others to subconsciously guess my seed word.

For instance, If I knew someones seed word was ARISE and I saw then I'd instantly know the solution was ERASE.

hmmm... Curious. Does anyone else avoid looking at other peoples plays before playing?

 

[TensorCalculus]

No idea what 'NP-Hard' means, but when I think about how to describe how computationally difficult Wordle is, to newbs, my brain starts to short circuit, so I don't.

Wait- it's actually NP-Hard? Really?! Oh gods.

It is a term to describe how computationally difficult the problem is, yes. It means that while you can quickly verify the correct answer (the code will have a polynomial time complexity, like O($n^2$) or something) we haven't found a way to solve it in polynomial time (so the time complexity of the code might be something like O($2^n$) instead). NP-hard means that it's definitely harder than all of the hardest NP problems (i.e. if it's possible to solve an NP-hard problem in polynomial time, then you can solve any NP problem in polynomial time)

 

[TensorCalculus]

For instance, If I knew someones seed word was ARISE and I saw then I'd instantly know the solution was ERASE.

hmmm... Curious. Does anyone else avoid looking at other peoples plays before playing?

I probably should start doing that (not looking at other people's plays before playing). I never click on the spoilers to see the words they used, but now I know some people's seed words...

 

[sbrothy]

[...]
No idea what 'NP-Hard' means, but when I think about how to describe how computationally difficult Wordle is, to newbs, my brain starts to short circuit, so I don't.
[...]

It basically just means so hard

Indeed:

Correct me if I'm wrong but (and I hate to link to wiki, but it's the best explanation of polynomial time for a layman (such as me) I could find):

An algorithm is said to be of polynomial time if its running time is upper bounded by a polynomial expression in the size of the input for the algorithm, that is, T(n) = O(nk) for some positive constant k.[1][13] Problems for which a deterministic polynomial-time algorithm exists belong to the complexity class P, which is central in the field of computational complexity theory. Cobham's thesis states that polynomial time is a synonym for "tractable", "feasible", "efficient", or "fast".[14]

-- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_complexity#Polynomial_time

Thus, NP-Hard problems is those that are intractable, unfeasible, inefficient and slow. In technical terms having a polynomial-time reduction. The halting problem is a much used example I think.

hmmm... Curious. Does anyone else avoid looking at other peoples plays before playing?

Indeed. That's why we generally try to hide our guesses and solutions behind SPOILER tags so you wont accidentally see them.

 

[dwarde]

I obviously choose to avoid the obvious.

Wordle 1,495 5/6

 

[TensorCalculus]

It basically just means so hard

Indeed:

Correct me if I'm wrong but (and I hate to link to wiki, but it's the best explanation of polynomial time for a layman (such as me) I could find):

An algorithm is said to be of polynomial time if its running time is upper bounded by a polynomial expression in the size of the input for the algorithm, that is, T(n) = O(nk) for some positive constant k.[1][13] Problems for which a deterministic polynomial-time algorithm exists belong to the complexity class P, which is central in the field of computational complexity theory. Cobham's thesis states that polynomial time is a synonym for "tractable", "feasible", "efficient", or "fast".[14]

-- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_complexity#Polynomial_time

Thus, NP-Hard problems is those that are untractable, unfeasible, inefficient and slow. In technical terms having a polynomial-time reduction. The halting problem is a much used example I think.

I've got to give it to you: that's a pretty good way of summing it up!

I obviously choose to avoid the obvious.

Wordle 1,495 5/6

eh... wasn't as bad as mine

 

[OmCheeto]

Wordle 1,496 3/6

ORATE 14
PLACK 1

 

[TensorCalculus]

Different root word today - picked a random word but I think it messed up the rest of my guesses

Wordle 1,496 5/6*

CLOUD
MUSTY
HUGER
QUEUE
QUAKE

 

[sbrothy]

It’s a tricky one today. I appreciate the ISPOILER tags as this site was accidentally open and would have ruined my chances of doing it myself. I’m gonna take my sweet time with this one…

 

[sbrothy]

Turned (turns?) out there wasn’t (weren't?) exactly an abundance of choices (picture when I get home).

(EDITED by grammar-nazi #1.)

Wordle 1.496 4/6*

Spoiler

 

[dwarde]

I made several really dumb guesses

Wordle 1,496 6/6

 

[TensorCalculus]

As I begin my wordle cheater pursuits, I am slowly coming to the realisation of just how difficult this is going to be...

 

[sbrothy]

As I begin my wordle cheater pursuits, I am slowly coming to the realisation of just how difficult this is going to be...

To be brutally honest I find it easiest when I'm not cheating.

 

[TensorCalculus]

To be brutally honest I find it easiest when I'm not cheating.

Not cheating is the easy route but I want to make a cheater bot for the fun of it haha :D

But actually using the cheater bot... that would ruin my own daily fun when I try and do wordle. Thus I would have to do the daily wordle and then use the cheater bot after (just for the satisfaction of watching it work)
Or debug the bot on one of those wordle unlimited things. That might be a better idea.

 

[OmCheeto]

Wordle 1,497 4/6

ALDER 47
OBITS 6
GRAMP 1 left: Hybrid Orod/Om method.


Another tough one.
Global mean: 5.159
14.4% of global players did not solve this.
Even Wordlebot only got it after 6 guesses. According to my records, this is only the second time that's happened.

I do not recall ever seeing the solution word before in my life.

 

[sbrothy]

Ouch. Picture later….

Wordle 1.497 X/6*

 

[sbrothy]

Not cheating is the easy route but I want to make a cheater bot for the fun of it haha :D
[…]

That was also my motivation. But writing it was more fun that actually using it.

 

[TensorCalculus]

Ouch. Picture later….

Wordle 1.497 X/6*

Aaah - same:

Wordle 1,497 X/6*

AUREI
ROPED
NOSER
HOMER
BOXER
LOVER

That was also my motivation. But writing it was more fun that actually using it.

I can imagine it will be XD

 

[OmCheeto]

It will be interesting when the NYT unleashes the ' paste tense 'xxxED' ' flood.
Guessing the 'hard mode' players will be kind of silent. As damn, that's a no win scenario.

Pattern	original unplayed	added unplayed	played	total	highest scorers
02022	0	71	0	71	*A*ED
02022	0	57	0	57	*O*ED
02022	0	49	0	49	*I*ED
02022	16	15	15	46	*A*ER
02022	10	16	14	40	*I*ER
02022	6	9	20	35	*O*ER
00222	10	5	13	28	**ING
20202	2	3	22	27	S*A*E
00222	3	9	13	25	**TER
00222	10	2	12	24	**LLY
20022	3	19	0	22	C**ED
00222	0	22	0	22	**KED
00222	0	22	0	22	**RED
02202	6	8	7	21	*OO*Y
02202	6	1	14	21	*RA*E
00222	0	21	0	21	**TED
22200	4	1	15	20	STA**
02220	4	9	7	20	*OWE*
20220	3	3	13	19	S*AR*
02022	1	18	0	19	*U*ED
00222	3	8	8	19	**DER
00222	0	19	0	19	**PED
00222	7	0	11	18	**TCH
02022	4	10	3	17	*O*EY
02022	4	3	10	17	*O*SE
00222	1	16	0	17	**LED
00222	0	17	0	17	**NED
00222	9	3	5	17	**TTY
00222	6	3	8	17	**VER
22020	2	9	5	16	CO*E*
22002	3	8	3	14	HO**Y

 

[dwarde]

Good grief I had to consult the scrabble dictionary for this one.

Wordle 1,497 6/6

 

[sbrothy]

OK, I started cheating a little after 3rd guess. I wasn't impressed by wcheat's suggestion for the 4th guess so I returned to intuition and voila!:

Wordle 1,498 5/6*

Spoiler

 

[sbrothy]

It will be interesting when the NYT unleashes the ' paste tense 'xxxED' ' flood.
Guessing the 'hard mode' players will be kind of silent. As damn, that's a no win scenario.

Pattern	original unplayed	added unplayed	played	total	highest scorers
02022	0	71	0	71	*A*ED
02022	0	57	0	57	*O*ED
02022	0	49	0	49	*I*ED
02022	16	15	15	46	*A*ER
02022	10	16	14	40	*I*ER
02022	6	9	20	35	*O*ER
00222	10	5	13	28	**ING
20202	2	3	22	27	S*A*E
00222	3	9	13	25	**TER
00222	10	2	12	24	**LLY
20022	3	19	0	22	C**ED
00222	0	22	0	22	**KED
00222	0	22	0	22	**RED
02202	6	8	7	21	*OO*Y
02202	6	1	14	21	*RA*E
00222	0	21	0	21	**TED
22200	4	1	15	20	STA**
02220	4	9	7	20	*OWE*
20220	3	3	13	19	S*AR*
02022	1	18	0	19	*U*ED
00222	3	8	8	19	**DER
00222	0	19	0	19	**PED
00222	7	0	11	18	**TCH
02022	4	10	3	17	*O*EY
02022	4	3	10	17	*O*SE
00222	1	16	0	17	**LED
00222	0	17	0	17	**NED
00222	9	3	5	17	**TTY
00222	6	3	8	17	**VER
22020	2	9	5	16	CO*E*
22002	3	8	3	14	HO**Y

I (also) vote for this post (perhaps the entire thread) to be admitted as a runner-up for the (as yet non-existing) award: “Most Gratuitously Geeky Thread of the Year”!

I think the site needs such a tongue-in-cheek award.

 

[OmCheeto]

I (also) vote for this post (perhaps the entire thread) to be admitted as a runner-up for the (as yet non-existing) award: “Most Gratuitously Geeky Thread of the Year”!

I think the site needs such a tongue-in-cheek award.

I'm both retired, and single. I can't think of anything better to do than be geeky, thank you very much.

Though, I do prefer 'nerdy'.
'Geeky' always struck me as someone with only one interest. I have many interests.
Though, wait a minute...
No. I still socialize with my friends, garden, plan on going to the 'Saturday Market' tomorrow, along with picking blueberries at a nearby farm.
Though......
hmmm....
You may be correct.