Work and energy of electromagnetic wave with intensity I

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The discussion revolves around the work and energy associated with electromagnetic waves, specifically focusing on the intensity of the wave and its effects on a particle. Participants are exploring the relationship between intensity, force, area, and work done on the particle, while questioning the assumptions made in the problem setup.

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  • Participants are attempting to clarify the meaning of area (A) in the context of the problem, with some suggesting it should be 4πr². There are questions regarding the movement of the particle when light is absorbed uniformly, and whether the acceleration should be defined differently. Additionally, there is discussion about the implications of the problem's wording and the assumptions about the source of light.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and questioning the assumptions made. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to consider the direction of the light source and how that affects the net force on the particle. There is uncertainty about the decline in radiation pressure as the particle accelerates, and whether this relates to concepts in relativity.

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Participants are grappling with the implications of the problem's wording and the assumptions regarding the source of the electromagnetic radiation. There is a lack of consensus on how to approach the calculations and the physical interpretations involved.

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Homework Statement
Suppose a spherical particle of mass m and radius R in space absorbs light of intensity I for time t. (a) How much work does the radiation pressure do to accelerate the particle from rest in the given time it absorbs the light? (b) How much energy carried by the electromagnetic waves is absorbed by the particle over this time based on the radiant energy incident on the particle?
Relevant Equations
##I = \frac{P}{A}##
##P = \frac{W}{t}##
##\rho = \frac{F}{A}##
a) ##\rho = \frac{I}{c} = \frac{F}{A}## for a perfect absorber
##F = ma## where ##a = \frac{c}{t}##
##\frac{I}{c} = \frac{mc}{tA}##
##I = \frac{I^2 tA}{mc^2} = \frac{P}{A}##
##P = \frac{I^2 tA^2}{mc^2} = \frac{W}{t}##
##W = \frac{I^2 t^2A^2}{mc^2}##

I am unsure what A is. I think it should be ##4\pi r^2##, but that doesn't generate the correct answer. The correct answer also has a 0.5 factor in the work equation which I don't know how they get.
 
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annamal said:
I am unsure what A is. I think it should be 4πr2
If the light is being absorbed uniformly over the whole area, why would the particle move?

a=c/t? Shouldn’t that be ##a=\Delta v/t##?
 
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haruspex said:
If the light is being absorbed uniformly over the whole area, why would the particle move?
That's just how the problem is worded.
haruspex said:
a=c/t? Shouldn’t that be ##a=\Delta v/t##?
v = c, which is the speed of light.
 
annamal said:
That's just how the problem is worded.
No, it is your misinterpretation of the problem. For the problem to be solvable you will have to assume the light is coming from a distant point source.
annamal said:
v = c, which is the speed of light.
You wrote F=ma. m is given as the mass of the particle. It does not accelerate to the speed of light.
 
haruspex said:
No, it is your misinterpretation of the problem. For the problem to be solvable you will have to assume the light is coming from a distant point source.
See below. It is worded exactly as
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haruspex said:
You wrote F=ma. m is given as the mass of the particle. It does not accelerate to the speed of light.
What does it accelerate to then?
 
annamal said:
See below. It is worded exactly as
Nowhere does it specify where the radiation is coming from. If it were uniformly from all directions there would be no net force on the particle so it would not move.
So you will have to assume it is all coming from the same direction. Can you work out from that what area to use?
annamal said:
What does it accelerate to then?
Your first task is to find the force exerted. From that you can get the acceleration, and the speed that it reaches and the distance that it travels in time t. Then you can calculate the work done on the particle and the KE achieved.

What I am unsure about is whether you are supposed to consider the decline in radiation pressure as the particle gathers speed. Is this part of a relativity course?
 
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haruspex said:
Nowhere does it specify where the radiation is coming from. If it were uniformly from all directions there would be no net force on the particle so it would not move.
So you will have to assume it is all coming from the same direction. Can you work out from that what area to use?

haruspex said:
Your first task is to find the force exerted. From that you can get the acceleration and speed it reaches and distance it travels in time. Then you can calculate the work done on the particle and the KE achieved.

What I am unsure about is whether you are supposed to consider the decline in radiation pressure as the particle gathers speed. Is this part of a relativity course?
No it's not.
 

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