Work done by a conservative force using change in potential energy

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between work done by a conservative force, specifically gravitational force, and the change in potential energy. Participants are examining the equations related to work and potential energy, particularly in the context of a problem involving height changes and gravitational potential energy.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are questioning the validity of using certain equations to relate work done and potential energy, particularly in the context of having multiple unknowns. There is also a focus on the interpretation of height in relation to the problem setup.

Discussion Status

The discussion is exploring the relationships between work done by gravity and changes in potential energy. Some participants are clarifying their understanding of the variables involved, while others are questioning the assumptions made regarding the height of point B and the implications for the equations used.

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There is mention of missing information regarding the work done by gravity and the value of the coefficient of friction, which is not provided in the problem. This lack of information is influencing the participants' reasoning and approach to the problem.

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Homework Statement
Here a block of mass 1kg is placed at a point A on a rough track. If slightly pushed towards the right, it stops at point B.
we need to calculate the work done by gravity between points A and B
Relevant Equations
##W_g = -\Delta U##
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we know ##W_g = -\Delta U##
but here to find ##\Delta U## we will need another equation
won't it be wrong to write $$-\Delta U = -\int_1^{0.8}mgdy$$
as this equation is derived from ##W_g = -\Delta U## and as we have 2 unknowns we will need two equations.

this is a rather easy problem but I am not able to understand why we can use ##\Delta U = mg\Delta h ## here as we do not know the work done by gravity.
Also since we are not given the value of ##\mu## I am not using the work energy theorem
 
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Hamiltonian299792458 said:
won't it be wrong to write $$-\Delta U = -\int_1^{0.8}mgdy$$
as this equation is derived from ##W_g = -\Delta U## and as we have 2 unknowns we will need two equations.
What are the two unknowns that you are referring to here?

Also, is point B at a height of 0.8 m? In the figure, B looks to be higher than 0.8 m.
 
TSny said:
What are the two unknowns that you are referring to here?

Also, is point B at a height of 0.8 m? In the figure, B looks to be higher than 0.8 m.
the two unknowns are ##\Delta U## and ##W_g##
point B is at a height 0.8m
 
##W_g## is always equal to ##- \Delta U##. So, if you calculate ##-\Delta U##, you have ##W_g##.
 
Hamiltonian299792458 said:
the two unknowns are ##\Delta U## and ##W_g##
point B is at a height 0.8m
The only potential energy here is that of gravity, so ##W_g=-\Delta U##.
 
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ok think I understood my mistake :doh:
 

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