Work done by a conservative force

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The problem involves calculating the work done by a conservative force on a particle moving in the x-y plane, given a specific potential energy function. The particle starts at rest at a defined position and the task is to determine the work done as it crosses the x-axis.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the force from the potential energy function and deduce the particle's path to find the work done. Some participants question the relationship between the work done and the potential energy difference, while others explore the implications of conservative forces and their directionality.

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Participants are engaging in a productive discussion about the nature of conservative forces and potential energy. There are various interpretations regarding the direction of the force and its relationship to potential energy minima. Some guidance has been offered regarding the path independence of work done by conservative forces.

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There is a discussion about the assumptions related to the potential energy function and the behavior of the force in relation to the origin. Participants are also considering the implications of potential energy being a scalar quantity.

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Homework Statement


The potential energy ##U## of a particle of mass 1kg moving in x-y plane obeys the law ##U=3x+4y##. x and y are in meters. If the particle is at rest at (6,8) at time t=0, then find the work done by conservative force on the particle from initial position to the instant when it crosses the x-axis.

Homework Equations


##\vec F=-\frac{\partial U}{\partial x}-\frac{\partial U}{\partial y}-\frac{\partial U}{\partial z}##
(This equation is not taken from any book. I thought the relation between F and U was just like the relation between electric field and potential)

3. The Attempt at a Solution

Using the equation: ##F=-3\hat i-4\hat j##
Since no other forces are acting, the particle will move in the direction of acceleration. I also have to find the x-coordinate when it crosses x-axis. Acceleration is at an angle ##\tan^{-1}\big(\frac{4}{3}\big)## with the horizontal towards the 3rd quadrant. Hence the particle moves along the line ##y=\frac{4}{3}(x-6)+8##.
So the x intercept is 0. Hence the total distance moved by the particle is 10m. And work done is 50J.
Is this correct?
 
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It is. A lot of work done by you. The work done by the field can also be compared to the difference U(6,8) - U(0,0). Could that be a concidence or is there more to that ? :rolleyes:
 
Work done by conservative force is path independent. But I still need to do "work" to find the final position :smile:. Or is there another way to solve the problem without having to find the final position?
 
Force always points at (0,0) !
 
Why should it always point at (0,0)? Is it because the force is conservative?
 
No, but starting at (6,8) there is no component other than in the direction of (0,0)
 
I don't understand that. Is it because the minimum magnitude of potential energy is at (0,0)? Since a particle tends to reach minimum potential energy. If that's the case, then is it true for ##U=2x^2+1##? Since force points at (0,1).
 
Potential energy is a scalar. It has a value. Vectors have a magnitude. Unfortunately daily language mixes them up.

Lines of constant U are straight lines for ##
U=3x+4y##. Constant U means no force component along that line. The force points perpendicular to those equipotential lines, so once on a line through the origin means following a straight path through the origin if starting from x > 0 and away from the origin when starting from x ##\le## 0.

For ##
U=x^2+1## lines of constant U are straight lines also. The force always points towards the y axis, not at 0,1 !
 
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