Work Done by Friction on 17.7 kg Block: Find Magnitude

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The discussion revolves around calculating the work done by friction on a 17.7 kg block being dragged over a rough horizontal surface by a constant force. The problem involves understanding the forces at play, including the applied force at an angle and the frictional force opposing the motion.

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  • Participants explore different methods to calculate the work done by friction, questioning the correct application of angles and forces. Some participants express confusion over the signs in their calculations and the impact of the angle of applied force on the frictional force.

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The discussion includes various attempts to calculate the work done by friction, with some participants noting arithmetic errors in their calculations. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in determining the normal force and its relation to the applied force. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored.

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1. A 17.7 kg block is dragged over a rough, hor-
izontal surface by a constant force of 187 N
acting at an angle of angle 33.6 above the
horizontal. The block is displaced 46.5 m and
the coefficient of kinetic friction is 0.199. Find the magnitude Work done by the force of friction




2.W=F*D
W=(mu)(mg)cos(theta)




3. I have already correctly solved the work done by the applied force at angle 33.6 above the horizontal via (187N)(46.5m)(cos(33.6)) = 7240 (sig figs). However the next question regarding the work done by the force of friction for some reason has me quite ticked off. I solve basically the same way however the friction acts opposite the force of motion makings its value negative. the question specifically calls for its magnitude not its direction so took its absolute value. W=F*D yeilds F=(muk)(mg) where mg is the normal force. making work W=(mu)(m)(g)cos(180). my thoughts on the angle is that the only component of the applied force the force of friction acts opposite to is the, in my axis, the positive x direction. opposite of 0 degrees is 180 causing the value to be negative. the answer is incorrect. Solving the same equation minus the cos(theta) is wrong. :(

edit: i used a free body diagram
 
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ive also thought it through like this:

W(fric) = -f(fric) d = - (mu) (normal force) (d)
= -(mu)(mg - F sin@)(d)
W(fric) = - (0.199)(17.7 kg x 9.8 m/s/s - (187N)(sin 33.6) ) (46.5m)
= -(0.199)(69.976)(46.5)
= -2599.845 J

but is incorrect.
 
I got-
mu(mgcos(33.6)) * 46.5
 
Idividebyzero said:
ive also thought it through like this:

W(fric) = -f(fric) d = - (mu) (normal force) (d)
= -(mu)(mg - F sin@)(d)
W(fric) = - (0.199)(17.7 kg x 9.8 m/s/s - (187N)(sin 33.6) ) (46.5m)
= -(0.199)(69.976)(46.5)
= -2599.845 J

but is incorrect.
This looks like a correct method.

I get that -(0.199)(69.976)(46.5) = -647.52 J

Check your arithmetic.
 
SammyS said:
This looks like a correct method.

I get that -(0.199)(69.976)(46.5) = -647.52 J

Check your arithmetic.

thanks a bunch it was the arithmetic that killed me. i calculated the net work on the object as it was the next question using the 647.xx as the frictional work and the answer was correct. i made a mistake in my math... now to find where
 

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