Work done in Adiabatic, Quasistatic-compression

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The discussion revolves around calculating the work done during an adiabatic, quasistatic compression process, specifically for perfect gases. The original poster is exploring different methods to arrive at the solution, particularly focusing on the relationship between pressure and volume.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate work using the first law of thermodynamics and is exploring an alternative method involving pressure and volume. Some participants suggest using the relationship \( p V^\gamma = \text{const} \) for quasistatic adiabatic processes and discuss integrating to find work.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, clarifying points of confusion regarding the use of different conditions (points A and C) for calculations. There is a recognition of multiple valid approaches to the problem, and some guidance has been provided regarding the use of constants derived from known conditions.

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There is an emphasis on the need to express the solution in terms of temperature, moles, and the gas constant. Participants are also considering the implications of using different points in the process for their calculations.

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Homework Statement


i have to find the W done in an Adiabatic, Quasistatic compression and I am not having much luck.

Ive calculated it using (delta)U = Q + W, since Q = 0, hence W = change in internal energy

However i want to calculate it using W = -(delta)P*V

The Attempt at a Solution



My working is attached, my text just says to use W = delta(U), but i know there is a way to do it via pressure and volume, I am just not sure where to go from where I am at.

Attempt is attached

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Has to be in terms of TA, n (moles) and R

Cheers Trent
 
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I assume we are talking about perfect gases so that indeed [tex]p V^\gamma = const[/tex] for a quasistatic, adiabatic process :p

[tex] <br /> -\int_{V_C}^{V_A} p dV = <br /> <br /> \left\{ p V^\gamma = const \right\}= <br /> <br /> -\int_{V_C}^{V_A} const \cdot \frac{dV}{V^\gamma} <br /> [/tex]

Determine [tex]const[/tex] from the conditions at A.
 
BobbyBear said:
I assume we are talking about perfect gases so that indeed [tex]p V^\gamma = const[/tex] for a quasistatic, adiabatic process :p

[tex] <br /> -\int_{V_C}^{V_A} p dV = <br /> <br /> \left\{ p V^\gamma = const \right\}= <br /> <br /> -\int_{V_C}^{V_A} const \cdot \frac{dV}{V^\gamma} <br /> [/tex]

Determine [tex]const[/tex] from the conditions at A.

I got it finally thanks heeps but i got it using conditions at "c" our starting point, (PCVCgamma = PVgamma, rearranged for P = and solved from ther) not "A", I am assuming u meant "c"?

Thanks :)
 
Oopsie, yes I meant "C" , it's the point where you know P and V to start with. Sorry, I always think that A comes before C when I'm not thinking :P:P

Though now that you said, . . . it's also true that you know P and V of point A too, so you could use any:) of course, they've given you two points such that :
[tex] <br /> <br /> p V^\gamma = const1<br /> <br /> [/tex]
and
[tex] <br /> <br /> T V^{\gamma-1}= const2<br /> <br /> [/tex]
with
[tex] <br /> <br /> \gamma=5/2<br /> <br /> [/tex]
because if this was not so it wouldn't be a reversible, adiabatic process.
 
thanks and good point, just trierd it the other way and it works :)
 

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