Work done in assembling a system of charges

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The discussion centers on calculating the work required to assemble a system of four point charges, each of charge "+q," positioned at the vertices of a square with side length "r." The correct answer for the work done is identified as option E, which is k * (8 + 2*sqrt(2)) * q^2 / r. The user attempts to derive the total work by sequentially adding the contributions from each charge but realizes their calculations do not match the correct answer. A key point raised is the importance of not double-counting the contributions from each charge. The conversation highlights the need for careful consideration of how interactions between the charges are accounted for in the calculations.
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Homework Statement


Hi, everyone.

I have a square and on each vertex of the square is a point charge of "+q".
The square has a side length of "r" and these four charges form a system.

My problem says to find the work required to assemble the charges shown above, bringing each charge in from infinity is equal to

[k = 1 / (4*pi*e0)
A) 4*k*q^2/r
B) k * (4 + sqrt(2) ) * q^2
C) K * (4 + 2*sqrt(2) ) *q^2 / r
D) K * (8 + sqrt(2) ) *q^2 / r
E) k * (8 + 2*sqrt(2) ) *q^2 /r

E is the right answer in this situation. My problem is figuring out how to solve this

Homework Equations



U = q * change in electric potential

change in electric potential when I am bringing in a charge from infinity to its position is going to be the negative of the Integral of E dot dl, from infinity to its final position.

The Attempt at a Solution



Here's what I tried:

I call the charges in the following positions A, B, C, D for reference.

A ---------------------------- B
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D------------------------------C
I say that the total work done in assembling the system is equal to the work done in assembling each individual charge.

Charge A is the first. It is fixed. WorkDoneForA = 0 Joules.

I bring in charge B next. WorkDoneForB = q*deltaV = k * q^2 / r

Next, I bring in charge c.

WorkDoneForC = Work done in relation to charge A + work done in relation to charge B =

[ k * q^2 / r] + [k *q^2 / (r * sqrt(2) ] = (k*q^2 /r) * ( 1 + 1/sqrt(2) )

WorkDoneForD = Work done in relation to charge A + work done in relation to charge B + work done in relation to charge C

= [ k * q^2 / r] + [k * q^2 / ( r* sqrt(2) ) ] + [ k * q^2 / r] = (k*q^2 / r ) * (2 + (1/sqrt(2)) )

=( k*q^2 / r ) * (4 + 2/sqrt(2) )Thus, as you can see, my answer does not match E, which is the right answer.

Could anyone please advise me as to why this is the case? Thanks in advance, and make it a great day!
 
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I agree with your analysis.

You would get (E) if you mistakenly count every contribution twice.

You can simplify 2/sqrt(2), by the way.
 
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