Work done on a falling elevator by a spring + gravity

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the work done on a falling elevator by spring forces and gravity. Participants are exploring the calculations related to energy conservation and the resulting equations of motion.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants are attempting to derive the net work done using gravitational and spring forces, questioning their calculations and assumptions. Some are exploring alternative methods to solve the quadratic equation derived from their work-energy considerations.

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There is an ongoing exploration of different approaches to the problem, with some participants suggesting the use of conservation of energy as a more straightforward method. Multiple interpretations of the problem setup are being discussed, but no explicit consensus has been reached.

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Participants are noting constraints such as the difficulty in reading values from provided images and the complexity of breaking the problem into parts versus using a direct approach. There is also mention of homework rules regarding the use of specific methods for solving equations.

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Homework Statement
An elevator cable breaks when a 925-kg elevator
is 22.5 m above the top of a huge spring
at the bottom of the shaft. Calculate
(a) the work done by gravity on the elevator before it hits the
spring; (b) the speed of the elevator just before striking the
spring; (c) the amount the spring compresses (note that here
work is done by both the spring and gravity).
Relevant Equations
WE principle + w=Fd
I don't understand what I have done wrong in part (c) I have the initial velocity for the second part of the motion and have the final velocity zero and then the net work done is W_mg + W_Fs and the actual answer for x is 2.37m
Could I get some help/tips please, thanks in advance.

Here is my solution
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small edit: After getting V_2 = 21m/s, x = 3.19m and the ,(comma) is a decimal point here! .(dot) is multiplication
 
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I think I see the problem.. I used the work done by gravity from the free fall motion part.
for the second part it actually is W_mg = mgx (if I am not mistaking)
 
I got the following: ##-4E4*x^2 + 9.074E3*x + 2.04E5=0 ##
which I solved with the calculator directly, but using the quadractic formula would be a lot of writing, is there another way I can look at this problem or something?
 
simphys said:
I got the following: ##-4E4*x^2 + 9.074E3*x + 2.04E5=0 ##
which I solved with the calculator directly, but using the quadractic formula would be a lot of writing, is there another way I can look at this problem or something?
I cannot read the value of k in the posted image, but I deduce it must be 8E4 N/m.
I agree with your quadratic. There's no simpler approach.
 
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haruspex said:
I cannot read the value of k in the posted image, but I deduce it must be 8E4 N/m.
I agree with your quadratic. There's no simpler approach.
Thank you! I thought that there may be a way to just use the initial and final position instead of breaking it up into part, but I didn't try. I supposed that it might've work that is why I asked.
 
simphys said:
Thank you! I thought that there may be a way to just use the initial and final position instead of breaking it up into part, but I didn't try. I supposed that it might've work that is why I asked.
Sorry, I thought you were just asking about solving the quadratic at the end.
Yes, if you only had to solve part c you could just write the conservation of energy equation straight off:
##(h+x)mg=\frac 12kx^2##
and get the quadratic from that.
 
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haruspex said:
Sorry, I thought you were just asking about solving the quadratic at the end.
Yes, if you only had to solve part c you could just write the conservation of energy equation straight off:
##(h+x)mg=\frac 12kx^2##
and get the quadratic from that.
Oh right, way faster thus. Thank you!
 

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