Work done on a magnetic dipole (compass needle rotating)

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The discussion focuses on calculating the work done on a magnetic dipole, specifically a compass needle, as it rotates in the x-y plane under the influence of the Earth's magnetic field. Participants clarify that the torque responsible for this rotation is generated by the x-component of the magnetic field, denoted as B_x, and that the work can be calculated using energy considerations rather than torque. The potential energy of the magnetic moment in the magnetic field is emphasized, with the formula E = -m · B being recommended for simplicity. Additionally, it is noted that the rotation can be considered about either the z-axis or y-axis, yielding the same energy difference regardless of the path taken. The original poster successfully resolves their confusion with assistance from others in the thread.
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Compass needle magnetic dipole moment is 4mA*m^2 , in the location of the compass Earth's magnetic field is 55 microteslas , and pointing north and downwards at 48 degree angle with compass needle. What amount of work is needed to turn compass needle from pointing North to South?
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So this is a sketch I made of the situation

and this is my approach

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my approach is incorrect , and Idon't seem to find the mistake , maybe B*p isn't correct. Any ideas?
 
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On this one, you need to work in the x-y plane: The ## B ## that generates the torque in the direction of interest lies in the x-y plane. (Calling north as the positive x-axis and and west as the positive y-axis, the ## B ## of interest is ## B_x ##). The torque is proportional to ## \sin{\theta} ##, and the work is ##\int \tau_o \sin{\theta} \, d \theta ##, where ## \tau_o ## is the value for ## \theta=90 ## degrees. (Note: The axis of rotation is the z-axis. The ## B_z ## that you computed will not cause any torque in the z-direction=that is why your calculation doesn't work).

Edit: Note: The problem can also be worked as a rotation about the y-axis, but you will find that the ## B_z ## has a null effect, with the y component of the torque being in opposite directions as the dipole moment passes through the z-axis. Once again it is ##B_x ## that determines how much work is needed.
 
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Charles Link said:
On this one, you need to work in the x-y plane: The ## B ## that generates the torque in the direction of interest lies in the x-y plane. (Calling north as the positive x-axis and and west as the positive y-axis, the ## B ## of interest is ## B_x ##). The torque is proportional to ## \sin{\theta} ##, and the work is ##\int \tau_o \sin{\theta} \, d \theta ##, where ## \tau_o ## is the value for ## \theta=90 ## degrees. (Note: The axis of rotation is the z-axis. The ## B_z ## that you computed will not cause any torque in the z-direction=that is why your calculation doesn't work).

Edit: Note: The problem can also be worked as a rotation about the y-axis, but you will find that the ## B_z ## has a null effect, with the y component of the torque being in opposite directions as the dipole moment passes through the z-axis. Once again it is ##B_x ## that determines how much work is needed.
Sorry , but I didn't managed to understand. Can you maybe explain a bit simpler?
 
The problem is telling you that the Earth's magnetic field vector at the location of the needle has a magnetic dip angle of 48° below the xy-plane. The needle is constrained to move in the xy-plane. Initially, it is aligned with the horizontal component of the magnetic field, Bh which is less than the magnitude of 55 μT. (What is the value of Bh?) You are asked to find how much work you need to do on the needle in order to rotate it by 180° in the xy-plane. It's easier to use energy considerations instead of torques. What is the potential energy of a magnetic moment in a magnetic field?
 
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Yes , I have calculated x projection of Magnetic field, and calculated the torque , but I don't know what method to use to calculate the work.
 
Ugnius said:
Yes , I have calculated x projection of Magnetic field, and calculated the torque , but I don't know what method to use to calculate the work.
I pointed that out in post #4.
kuruman said:
It's easier to use energy considerations instead of torques. What is the potential energy of a magnetic moment in a magnetic field?
 
isn't E = τ*θ , θ being the dip angle?
 
Ugnius said:
isn't E = τ*θ , θ being the dip angle?
Nope. Read about magnetic potential energy here.
 
kuruman said:
Nope. Read about magnetic potential energy here.
I see , and should I use the full magnetic field , or just the x projection ?
 
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Ugnius said:
I see , and should I use the full magnetic field , or just the x projection ?
Do it both ways and see if it matters. Be careful with the "before" and "after" angles in each case.
 
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The energy ## E=-m \cdot B ## is the easier way to do this, but it can be useful to know where this formula comes from, and ## W=\int \tau \, d \theta ## is basically the same result as the energy formula in what may be a not-so-obvious form.

In post 2 above, I pointed out that you can consider the rotation to be about the z-axis or the y-axis, and you get the same answer. It's much easier to just consider energy though, as others have pointed out.

Note: You can rotate the compass needle in the plane of the compass or rotate out of that plane=the needle still winds up in the same final position. The energy difference is the same regardless of the path you take.
 
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Thank you guys , I solved it , and answer seems to be correct. Couldn't have done it without your help!
 
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Please show how u did it, because i have the same task
 
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