Work, energy and forces in a horizontal plane

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving work, energy, and forces acting on an object being pulled across a flat surface. The original poster is attempting to determine the work done on the mat by a student applying a force at an angle, while also considering frictional forces and the motion of the object.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of distance traveled by the object and the implications of using final velocity in their calculations. There are suggestions to use constant acceleration equations to find acceleration and distance.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering guidance on how to approach the calculations and clarifying the distinction between the work done on the mat versus the object. There is recognition of the need to consider friction and the correct interpretation of the question.

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There is some confusion regarding the interpretation of the problem, particularly about the work done on the mat versus the object. Participants are also addressing the relevance of the mass of the object in their calculations.

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Thanks in advance guys, and it does not need to be treated as a high priority question.

Homework Statement


This is not so much a homework question, as it is a query about a question that I am getting a wrong answer for (that is to the book's answer).

This is the straight question that the book gives me:

"A student supplies a constant force of 200 N at an angle of 60 degrees to the horizontal to pull a 50 kg object, initially at rest across a flat surface for 10 s. A constant frictional force acts on the mat, and the velocity after the 10 s is 3 ms-1"The question asks how much work is done on the mat by the student?

Homework Equations


[tex]W = F * x * cosine (theta)[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


I have substituted the values for cosine theta as 0.5, and F is 200 N, I tried to find the value for x, by using v * t = x, and substituted it as 3 * 10 = 30 m.

The answer that I found was 6 * 103 joules, and the book gave the answer as 1.28 * 103.
 
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Hi The Liberator! Welcome to PF! :smile:
The Liberator said:
A student supplies a constant force of 200 N at an angle of 60 degrees to the horizontal to pull a 50 kg object, initially at rest across a flat surface for 10 s. A constant frictional force acts on the mat, and the velocity after the 10 s is 3 ms-1

I tried to find the value for x, by using v * t = x, and substituted it as 3 * 10 = 30 m.

Nope … v is only the final velocity …

try one of the constant acceleration equations :wink:
 
Ahhh, okay. thanks. I will do, then report back to see answers.

By the way, thanks for welcoming me here. :)

Edit:I looked at the links, and I am sorry, but I don't follow.
 
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The object starts at rest, and after t = 10s is moving at v =3 ms-1.

Its acceleration, a, is constant.

You should be able to find an equation connecting v t and a, so you can find the value of a, and then an equation connecting x and a, so you can find the value of x :smile:
 
Oh, okay thanks. I understand now. :D

I think this one will do… [tex]v = u + at[/tex]

I substituted the numbers and have it as 3 = 0 + 10a

I found a = 0.3 ms-2

and therefore [v2 = u2+ 2ax

Substituted the numbers and have it as 9 = 0 + 2 * 0.3 x

I found x = 15 m.

The only thing is my final answer is different to what the book says. :confused:

Thanks.
 
The Liberator said:
I found x = 15 m.

The only thing is my final answer is different to what the book says. :confused:

ah … got it … i wondered why they gave you the mass :rolleyes:

the question asks for the work done on the mat, not on the object

(I assume the mat is fixed to the floor, and the object is moving across it)

so you have to calculate the friction force between the mat and the object (use good ol' Newton's second law, with the acceleration you found), and the work done by that

alternatively, use the work-energy theorem, and just subtract the energy gained by the object from the work done by the student :smile:
 
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Oh, I am very sorry, I miss-read the answer in the book. I actually do have the right answer now…

My working out:

[tex]W = F * x * cosine(theta)[/tex]

W = 200 * 15 * 0.5

W = 1500 joules.

Thanks very much Tim.

Also, sorry for confusing you, but I also miss-used the wording, as the object is also the mat.

By the way, this is a solved problem. It can now have the solved icon thing on it.
 

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