Work, Energy and Power - Variable Acceleration

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The discussion revolves around a mechanics problem involving work, energy, and power, specifically focusing on a car's acceleration from an initial speed to a higher speed under constant power output. The participants are exploring the relationship between power, force, and acceleration, while considering the implications of variable acceleration.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the need to integrate acceleration to find time, with some suggesting the separation of variables technique. Others mention the work-energy theorem as an alternative approach, questioning the necessity of integration.

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There are multiple approaches being explored, including integration of the acceleration formula and the application of the work-energy theorem. Some participants express uncertainty about integration techniques, while others provide hints and guidance without reaching a consensus on the preferred method.

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Participants note a lack of familiarity with integration techniques, and some express a desire for additional resources to aid their understanding. The original poster mentions constraints due to limited access to their teacher for further clarification.

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The question is about Mechanics (so a mix of maths and physics)

Homework Statement



A car of mass 900kg moves along a straight horizontal road with its engine working at a constant rate of 20kW. Its speed at A is 10m/s, Assuming that there is no resistance to motion, calculate the time taken for the car the travel from A until its speed reaches 20ms.

u=10
v=20
P=20000

Homework Equations



[tex]\vec{F}_{net} = \Sigma \vec{F} = m \vec{a}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



Firstly, I drew a diagram that looked similar to this: http://skrbl.com/130853849 (sorry, scanner broken!)

Power = Fv therefore F = 20000/v

FCA F=ma N2L

Res (->) (20000/v) = 960a
a = 125/6v

I know I need to integrate the acceleration formula (due to variable acceleration) but I'm not sure how to do with wrt t. My problem is because there is no t. I do remember my teacher saying something about integrating both sides to find time (school is over here now though so I can't get hold of him). I have attempted to integrate both sides but it still made little sense. I did a little browsing on these forums and came up with this though:

integral(dv) = integral([125/6v]dt)

I appreciate any and all help - it's probably something simple that I just can't see! I mainly need hints (would rather not answers) on how to integrate this to give me something in relation to time.

By the way, according to the textbook the answer is 7.2 seconds.
 
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P = Fv
F=m(dv/dt)
Therefore,

P = m(dv/dt)v = const.
Pdt = mv(dv)

Integrate both sides. This is what your teacher meant.
 
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samwilliamh said:
I know I need to integrate the acceleration formula (due to variable acceleration) but I'm not sure how to do with wrt t. My problem is because there is no t. I do remember my teacher saying something about integrating both sides to find time (school is over here now though so I can't get hold of him). I have attempted to integrate both sides but it still made little sense. I did a little browsing on these forums and came up with this though:

integral(dv) = integral([125/6v]dt)

So you have the formula : a = dv/dt = 125/(6 v).

You can integrate this differential equation by "separation the variables": collecting everything "v" at one side and "t" at the other side.

[tex]\int_{10}^{20}{vdv}= \frac{125}{6}\int_0^T{dt}[/tex]

You integral with respect to v from the initial velocity to the final one, and the upper limit for t is just the time of question.

ehild
 
Thanks for the replies. I've tried to understand them as best I can however we have not been taught an awful lot on integration. From ehlid's reply I managed to get the following:

900 = [tex]{125}\int_0^T{dt}[/tex]

That's as far as I could get. Do you know of any places where I can find the pure maths that will help me answer this (unless you can give more hints of course)? Such as an example on how to solve something similar?
 
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You can solve this problem without integration if you are familiar with the work - energy theorem: The change of the KE of a rigid body is equal to the work of all the external forces acting upon it.

KE2-KE1 = W.

The initial and final velocities are given, the mass is known, you can calculate the change of kinetic energy.

You have to get the work. The power is given and it is constant. So the work done in time t is W=Pt. You know everything to calculate the time.



ehild
 
Thanks so much for that! I wasn't actually taught that and my teacher says that is the only way.

It seems so much easier (and it, plus it's right!) Going to be a fun lesson tomorrow
 

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