Work/Energy of Two Bungee Jumpers

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The problem involves two bungee jumpers, where one jumper is attached to a bungee cord while holding onto the other. The task is to determine the unstretched length of the cord and to analyze the implications for the jumper who lets go at the surface of the water, particularly regarding their ascent after release.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of work and energy principles, particularly how potential energy converts to kinetic energy. Questions arise about the implications of one jumper releasing the other and whether the resulting height will exceed the bridge height.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the energy transfer involved in the jumpers' ascent. There is acknowledgment of the analysis presented, but questions remain about the effects of the bungee cord's downward force after the release.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of energy conservation in the context of bungee jumping, including the effects of forces acting on the jumpers during their motion. There is a focus on the assumptions made regarding the system's energy dynamics.

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Homework Statement


Exercise 1. Two bungee jumpers jump from a bridge. Jumper A is fastened to a bungee cord and holding on to jumper B. The cord has a stiffness k = 80 lb/ft. Find the unstretched length of the cord if the two students just reach the surface of the water at the maximum displacement. If student A let's go of student B at the surface of the water. Is there a problem for student A on the return? The distance between the bridge and water is 120 ft.


Homework Equations


T1 + ƩU1-2 = T2
U1-2 = -WΔy Work of a weight
U1-2 = -ksΔs2 Work of a Spring Force


The Attempt at a Solution



I solved the first part by using the principle of work and energy, setting T1 and T2 to zero and solving for the s-initial. However, I'm having trouble with the second part. I know that the potential energy from the first part gets transferred to the bungee jumpers kinetic energy in his ascension, and that his final height will be higher than if he didn't let go of the other bungee jumper. Also, I know his final kinetic energy will be zero at his maximum height, and I think the question wants to know if this height will be greater than the height of the bridge over water. Any thoughts?
 
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hi kcolman! welcome to pf! :smile:
kcolman said:
… I know that the potential energy from the first part gets transferred to the bungee jumpers kinetic energy in his ascension, and that his final height will be higher than if he didn't let go of the other bungee jumper. Also, I know his final kinetic energy will be zero at his maximum height, and I think the question wants to know if this height will be greater than the height of the bridge over water.

that analysis looks correct …

so will it be greater? (if so, by roughly how much?) :wink:
 
Okay, I think I figured it out. I realized that the energy from the spring is equal to the total original gravitational energy, and set that equal to the work done by gravity with the weight cut in half. So my work looks like:

(1/2)kΔs = (W1+W2)y1
(1/2)kΔs = W1*y2
y2 = ((W1+W2)y1)/W1
y2 = (300 lb * 120 ft) / (150 lb)
y2 = 240 ft

So he doubles his initial height on his ascension... Probably hits his head pretty brutally. Does this look right?
 
hi kcolman! :smile:

yes, it will certainly rise well above the bridge

but it's not clear to me whether you've taken into account the downward force that the bungee rope will exert once he gets above the bridge

(and now I'm off to sleep :zzz: …)
 

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