Work energy theorem for falling object

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a branch falling from a height of 95.0 m, starting from rest, and seeks to determine its speed upon reaching the ground. The context relates to the work-energy theorem and gravitational work.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of work done by gravity and the need for mass to determine this work. Questions arise about how to approach the problem with limited information, specifically height alone.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between work and gravitational force, and the idea that mass may not be necessary for the calculations has been suggested.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of homework constraints that discourage the use of kinematic equations, which adds complexity to the problem-solving process. Participants express confusion about how to proceed without this method.

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Homework Statement


A branch falls from the top of a 95.0 m tall redwood tree, starting from rest. How fast is it moving when it reaches the ground?

Homework Equations


Total work = [itex]\Delta K[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution


I have no idea how to do this problem.
 
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How much work does gravity do?
 
ideasrule said:
How much work does gravity do?

Work is force times distance. Force is mass times acceleration. I need a mass to determine that.
 
How would I solve this problem when I'm only given a height?
 
cdotter said:
... Force is mass times acceleration. I need a mass to determine that.
Force is not mass times acceleration. Net force is mass times acceleration.
How would I solve this problem when I'm only given a height?
follow ideasrule's hint
 
PhanthomJay said:
Force is not mass times acceleration. Net force is mass times acceleration.follow ideasrule's hint

I must be brain dead because I don't get the hint. Gravity does work, yes. But how do I calculate the work to, in turn, find the final velocity? My book says the final velocity is 43.2 m/s. How do I calculate that when I'm given one variable (the height)? It doesn't make any sense.

edit: I know I can get the answer using the kinematics equations (Vf2=Vi2+2ax in this case), but the problem says not to use the kinematics equations.
 
cdotter said:
I must be brain dead because I don't get the hint. Gravity does work, yes. But how do I calculate the work to, in turn, find the final velocity? My book says the final velocity is 43.2 m/s. How do I calculate that when I'm given one variable (the height)? It doesn't make any sense.

edit: I know I can get the answer using the kinematics equations (Vf2=Vi2+2ax in this case), but the problem says not to use the kinematics equations.
Check out your own relevant equations. Work is force times distance (that will give you the work done by gravity once you figure out the force of gravity), and net work is delta KE (that will give you its speed). It must of course yield the same result as the kinematic equations.
 
Isn't work done by gravity m*g*h? Where do I get the mass from?
 
cdotter said:
Isn't work done by gravity m*g*h? Where do I get the mass from?

Don't worry so much about the mass. Let it be m. Just work with the constants and who knows? It might just cancel out. :wink:
 
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l'Hôpital said:
Don't worry so much about the mass. Let it be m. Just work with the constants and who knows? It might just cancel out. :wink:

I always overlook something like that. :redface: Thank you for the help, everyone.
 

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