Work on a Football: Energy Transfer and Distance

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The discussion revolves around the concept of work and energy transfer in the context of kicking a football, as well as related scenarios such as skiing and playing pool. Participants explore the relationship between force, distance, and energy transformation, particularly focusing on kinetic energy and the effects of friction and air resistance.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants raise questions about the nature of work done when kicking a football, including the duration of force application and the role of friction and air resistance. They also discuss the implications of energy transfer when kicking a ball upwards and whether energy can be transferred in the same form between objects.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights regarding the forces at play and the concept of energy transfer, while others continue to seek clarification on specific examples and the implications of energy loss during transfers. The conversation reflects a mix of agreement and ongoing inquiry into the nuances of the concepts discussed.

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Participants are navigating complex ideas about work and energy, with some acknowledging that energy can be "lost" or converted to heat during processes. There is an emphasis on understanding the definitions and implications of work in various physical scenarios.

Peter G.
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I have some doubts concerning work, here are some examples I wanted to clear out:

So, when I kick a football, I am doing work on it. In this example the ball will be in contact with the ground throughout. It will slide over the floor.

The Energy Transfer: Chemical Energy from my muscles to Kinetic Energy of the ball.

And the distance through which the force is applied: Will be only the very short moment that my foot is in contact with the ball?

But what is the force against the work being done here? Friction at the moment of contact and application of force? And that would also be for a split second right? Because as the ball continued to roll it would still experience friction but no work is being done on it anymore. And can air resistance also be considered a counter acting force?

Now, I know how lifting a book works but I was wondering. What if I kick a ball upwards? Again, I’m assuming the force and the distance application is only during the moment of contact but my doubt is: In order to do work against gravity, am I doing work on the ball? Or did I do work on it, granting the ball Kinetic Energy and the football used its Kinetic Energy to do work against gravity?

And finally, can energy be transferred to different objects but in the same form? For example, when we ski down a mountain the skis deplete snow to the side. We posses kinetic energy and it is used to push the snow over a distance, giving it movement energy, or when we are playing pool and one ball hits the other, kinetic energy to kinetic energy again?

Sorry for the long text and I hope I made my doubts clear.

Thanks in advance,
PeterG
 
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But what is the force against the work being done here? friction at the moment of contact and application of force? And that would also be for a split second right?
All true, but this misses the main effect of accelerating the ball.
F=ma. F pushes on the ball causing a; the ball pushes back on the foot with an equal and opposite force.

do work on it, granting the ball Kinetic Energy and the football used its Kinetic Energy to do work against gravity?
Yes to this! Same story with the F = ma.

Yes to the kinetic energy transfer from one object to another.
 
Ok cool! Thanks again.

And one last thing. During the energy transfers, some energy is lost during the process right?

I thought of two examples to check my understanding:

When we use the energy in food to give Kinetic Energy to a cart as we push it, some energy is lost as heat as energy is released from food.

Or when we are playing pool and one ball hits another. The ball with kinetic energy uses its mechanical energy to do work on the other pool ball but upon contact energy is lost in the form of sound and probably heat.

Thanks,
Peter G
 
Yes. Some would say energy is "converted to heat energy" rather than saying it is "lost".
 
Ok, thanks Delphi
 
Sorry, I just couldn't get this out of my mind. I'm used to these common examples in books but I just wanted to clear out this last one, I promise :blushing:

So, when we walk/run, do we do work too? Like against the force of friction and air resistance?

Measuring the distance is easy and we could also find the force using F = ma, but the F is the resultant force so we would need the air resistance to discover the force my legs were exerting I think.

Thanks!
 
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These questions are tricky and depend on the wording. We don't "accomplish" any work when moving ourselves or another mass on level ground - the mass has no more energy after the move than it had before. However, work is still done against friction. Even running on the spot converts some biological energy into heat because muscles are not 100% efficient. Even if the person doesn't move, energy is used to keep him living.
 

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