Work required to bring charge from infinity

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The discussion centers on calculating the work required to bring a third point charge, q3 = +e, from infinity to a position at x = 2a in the presence of two point charges, q1 = -e at x=0 and q2 = +e at x=a. The work done, W, is derived from the change in potential energy, leading to the equation W = -ΔU. The confusion arises from the sign convention used in the calculation, where the book states W = U instead of W = -U, highlighting that the work done by an external force is positive when moving a positive charge against the attractive force of a negative charge.

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Homework Statement


Two point charges are located on the x-axis, q1 = -e at x=0 and q2 = +e at x=a. Find the work that must be done by an external force to bring a third point charge q3 = +e from infinity to x = 2a.

Homework Equations


W = -ΔU

The Attempt at a Solution


W = -(Ufinal - Uinitial)
Uinitial = 0 because it is at infinity.
So W = -Ufinal = -kq3(q1/r1 + q2/r2). After doing this I get:
-(e^2)/(8πεa) which has the correct magnitude but wrong sign. My book uses W = U instead of W = -U. Is there a reason for this? Work is equal to change in NEGATIVE potential energy, so why would it be positive?
 
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henry3369 said:
After doing this I get: ##-(e^2)/(8πεa)## which has the correct magnitude but wrong sign. My book uses ##W = U## instead of ##W = -U##. Is there a reason for this? Work is equal to change in NEGATIVE potential energy, so why would it be positive?

This is a issue with conventions stemming from the fact you've used a negative Coulomb potential. By convention the Coulomb force ##\vec{F}(\vec{r})## is negative to imply attraction: \vec{F}(\vec{r}) = -\frac{q_1q_2}{4\pi\epsilon_0}\frac{1}{r}\cdot \hat{r} which gives rise to the Coulomb (or electrostatic) potential ##U(\vec{r})## found by, U(r) = \int F(r) \, dr and so U(r) = -\frac{q_1q_2}{4\pi\epsilon_0} \int \frac{1}{r^2} dr = -\frac{q_1q_2}{4\pi\epsilon_0} \left( - \frac{1}{r} \right) = \frac{q_1q_2}{4\pi\epsilon_0} \frac{1}{r}.
Either that, or \Delta U = U_\text{final}-U_\text{initial}.
 
You know from the basic charge layout that it will take positive work to bring the positive charge to x=2a. Try to think that way in general instead of relying on the math to give you the correct signs.
 
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henry3369 said:

Homework Statement


Two point charges are located on the x-axis, q1 = -e at x=0 and q2 = +e at x=a. Find the work that must be done by an external force to bring a third point charge q3 = +e from infinity to x = 2a.
My book uses W = U instead of W = -U. Is there a reason for this? Work is equal to change in NEGATIVE potential energy, so why would it be positive?
The work of the electric field is equal to change in negative potential energy, but the work that must be done by an external force is opposite.
 

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