Working out a formula for 2 variables?

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The discussion revolves around a differentiation problem involving the optimization of the dimensions of a rectangular beam cut from a round log, with the strength of the beam depending on its breadth and the square of its depth. The problem is framed within a pre-selection mathematics context and involves multiple variables without a clear example to guide the participants.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant, Shipscat, introduces the relationship between strength (S), breadth (B), and depth (D), proposing that S=kBD², but expresses uncertainty about how to proceed with the problem.
  • Another participant suggests relating breadth (B) and depth (D) to the diameter (d) of the log as a potential next step.
  • Shipscat responds with equations B=d-2x and D=d-2y, indicating an understanding that x and y represent dimensions related to the beam, but questions whether this approach is correct.
  • A participant encourages visualizing the problem by drawing a semi-circle and marking the diameter along with the dimensions of the beam, suggesting that this could help in determining the maximum size of a chord related to the beam's dimensions.
  • Shipscat expresses confusion regarding the instructions about marking chords on the semi-circle and seeks clarification on the geometric relationships involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to relate the dimensions of the beam to the diameter of the log, but there is uncertainty about the specific geometric interpretations and the next steps in solving the problem.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the geometric configuration of the beam within the log and the relationships between the variables involved. The discussion reflects a lack of consensus on how to proceed with the mathematical formulation.

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Hi Folks,

I'm working through a pre-selection maths course and have come to a complete halt with the following Differentiation problem:-

" If the strength of a rectangular beam of wood varies as its breadth and the square of its depth, find the dimensions of the strongest beam that can be cut out of a round log, diameter d. "

It's the only problem in the notes that has more than 1 variable and no example to show how its done.

Here's what I've come up with so far...
S varies with Breadth, therefore S=kB
S varies with Depth^2, therefore S=kD^2
S=kBD^2
The derivative of a constant term = 0

If I could work out the formula I think I'd be ok, but I'm completely at a loss for what to do next.

Thanks for any help you can give me, and sorry it's a little basic.

Shipscat
 
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Hint: Can you related B and D to d?
 
Hi Hootenanny,

I think I tried this last night, I came up with

B=d-2x
D=d-2y
therefore S=(d-2x)(d-2y)(d-2y)

Still with 2 variables. I'm assuming x and y cannot be equal as the problems states a rectangular beam.

Am I along the right lines or 90 degrees to them?
 
Your on the right lines. Draw yourself a semi-circle, mark on your diameter together with B and 1/2D as chords. Now, join the two endpoints of B and 1/2D with a further chord. Now, what is the maximum size of this chord?
 
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I'm really, Really sorry Hootenanny, I was right with you up until " together with 1/2B and 1/2D as chords. " Where on the semi-circle should I be marking the chords? Do you mean 1/2 Breadth or 1/2 the distance from the edge of the beam to the circle?

I'm sorry to seem so dumb, but I really am dumb.
 

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