Working out the first and second derivative

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The discussion focuses on finding the first and second derivatives of the function f(x) = x²/(1-x²). The correct first derivative is f'(x) = 2x/(1-x²)², and the second derivative is f''(x) = 2(1 + 3x²)/(1-x²)³. A participant struggled with applying the quotient rule correctly, which led to confusion in deriving the second derivative. The conversation emphasizes the effectiveness of using the product rule as an alternative to the quotient rule for simplifying derivative calculations.

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Let f(x)=x^2/(1-x^2 )
a) Find f'(x)
b) Find f"(x)

For the answer to a) they give f'(x)=2x/〖(1-x^2)〗^2
and for b) f"(x)=2 (1+〖3x〗^2)/〖(1-x^2)〗^3

Now after many rounds of trying i have not been able to get an answer remotely close to what they have given. i don;t know if it is due to me over working a simple problem or what. the same applies to b), taking the second derivative.

For a) i applied the quotient rule:

f(x)=x^2/(1-x^2 )
f'(x)=(2x(1-x^2)-(1-x^2)x^2)/(1-x^2)^2

then it stops there as i don't know where to proceed, i am not entirely sure if what i have done is correct but other methods result in something similar.

Then for b)

f'(x)=2x/〖(1-x^2)〗^2

Using their answer and trying to work with it to see if i fared any better for the 2nd derivative proved that i was lost. any help with a) would be appreciated as it means i could work out b) and any similar problems in the future.
 
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You seem to have made an error in applying the quotient rule. You should have
f'(x)=[g'(x)h(x)-h'(x)g(x)]/[h(x)]^2 where g(x)=x^2 and h(x)=1-x^2. After you differentiate h(x) where I suggested, multiply the resulting numerator all out and combine like terms.

I confirmed the answer to a) but I think the answer for b) should be
f"(x)=2 (1+3〖x〗^2)/〖(1-x^2)〗^3

Personally, I never use the quotient rule. Note that you can write any function that readily permits the quotient rule (i.e. f(x)=g(x)/h(x)) as f(x)=g(x)[h(x)]^(-1) and then apply the product rule. However, it is important to realize the inner workings of the quotient rule for problems that specifically call for its use (tends to happen a lot on calculus midterms//finals//what have you).
 
Thank you, for some reason something wasn't clicking.
Found using the product rule with these problems really simplifies them so, thanks again.
 

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