Write different equation from physical system

In summary, the conversation is about writing a differential equation to describe a system where force is the input and position is the output. The initial conditions are x1=0 and x2=0. The formula for the relationship between force and position for components such as spring and suspension are included in the attached file. The person is seeking suggestions on how to solve the problem and has found a result but is unsure if their starting equations are correct. They have provided their starting equations and the correct equations for comparison. They also mention making a mistake in their calculations.
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Maurizio
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Hi to all,

I've to write differential equation for desciribe system in attached file.

The system is intended: from force f as input to position x2 as output.

Initial condition are the following x1=0 and x2=0.

In the attached file I've included all formula for descrive relationship between force and position for components: Spring, suspension.

I'd like some suggestion about ho to resolve this kind of problem.

I've found result for this exercise, I've try to computate the valur, but I made samo mistake, cold you suggest if my starting equation are correct, if they're not could you explain my where I made error?

Starting Equation:
f + k(x1-x2) + BD(x1-x2)=D^2mx1
-k(x1-x2)-BD(x1-x2)=D^2mx2

Expand First and Second Equation
f +kx1 -kx2 +BDx1 -BDx2 = D^2mx1
-kx1 +kx2 -BDx1 +BDx2 = D^2mx2

Aggregate for common factor x1
( k + BD - D^2m )*x1 = -f + kx2 +BDx2
( -k -BD )*x1 = -kx2 -BDx2 +D^2mx2

Computate x1
x1 = ( -kx2 -BDx2 +D^2mx2 ) / ( -k -BD )

Replace x1 in first equation:
( k + BD - D^2m )*( -kx2 -BDx2 +D^2mx2 ) / ( -k -BD ) = -f + kx2 +BDx2

( k + BD - D^2m )*( -kx2 -BDx2 +D^2mx2 ) = (-f + kx2 +BDx2) * ( -k -BD )

-k^2x2 -kBDx2 + kD^2mx2 -BDkx2 -B^2D^2x2 +BD^3mx2 +kD^2mx2 + BD^3x2m D^4m^2x2
= +kf -fBD -k^2x2 -kBDx2 -kBDx2 -B^2D^2x2

+kD^2mx2 +BD^3mx2 +kD^2mx2 + BD^3x2m -D^4m^2x2
+kf -fBD

My result:
-D^4m^2x2 + BD^3x2m + BD^3mx2 +kD^2mx2 +kD^2mx2 = +kf -fBD

Correct Result:
+D^4m^2x2 + BD^3x2m + BD^3mx2 +kD^2mx2 +kD^2mx2 = +kf +fBD

Thank you very much!

Bye
Maurizio
 

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Maurizio said:
Replace x1 in first equation:
( k + BD - D^2m )*( -kx2 -BDx2 +D^2mx2 ) / ( -k -BD ) = -f + kx2 +BDx2

( k + BD - D^2m )*( -kx2 -BDx2 +D^2mx2 ) = (-f + kx2 +BDx2) * ( -k -BD )

-k^2x2 -kBDx2 + kD^2mx2 -BDkx2 -B^2D^2x2 +BD^3mx2 +kD^2mx2 + BD^3x2m D^4m^2x2
= +kf -fBD -k^2x2 -kBDx2 -kBDx2 -B^2D^2x2

Your mistake is in the multiplication (-f + kx2 +BDx2) * ( -k -BD ). On the right hand side rather than -fBD you should get +fBD
 

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