(x^k) - 1 = (x - 1)*(x^(k-1) + x^(k-2) + + x + 1)

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The discussion centers around the factorization of the expression (x^k) - 1 = (x - 1)*(x^(k-1) + x^(k-2) + ... + x + 1), exploring its derivation and application in proofs. Participants engage in mathematical reasoning, specifically focusing on the use of induction and the geometric series.

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  • One participant asks about the origin of the factorization and its applicability in a proof.
  • Another suggests using mathematical induction to prove the factorization.
  • Some participants express confusion about the next steps in the proof and whether to factor (x-1) out of the expression.
  • A participant proposes that the factorization can be viewed as a theorem and discusses manipulating the expression to compare results.
  • There is a mention of the geometric series and its relation to the factorization, with some participants noting the complexity of the series compared to the factorization being discussed.
  • One participant critiques the approach of simply multiplying by (x-1) and suggests evaluating the multiplication on the right-hand side instead.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and approaches to the proof, with no consensus on a single method or theorem to apply. Some agree on using the geometric series, while others question the validity of the methods proposed.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the formula for the geometric series involves convergence, which complicates its application in this context. There are also comments on the limitations of the proof methods discussed, particularly regarding rigor and acceptance in an academic setting.

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(x^k) - 1 = (x - 1)*(x^(k-1) + x^(k-2) + ... + x + 1)

Where does this factorization come from? I need to know so I can use it in a proof. Thanks.
 
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Work out the right side...
 
Use mathematical induction:
<br /> x^{k+1} - 1 = (x^{k+1} - x^k) + (x^k - 1) = (x - 1) x^k +(x^k - 1)<br />
 
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micromass said:
Work out the right side...

So, there is no theorem to use?

@Dickfore

I'm confused as to the next step -- yes I've been trying to work it out.

Should I try to factor (x-1) out of the expression?
 
General_Sax said:
@Dickfore

I'm confused as to the next step -- yes I've been trying to work it out.

Should I try to factor (x-1) out of the expression?

According to P.M.I., you should substitute the expression that you're trying to prove for n = k, in this case for x^k - 1, factor x - 1, and see if you get the corresponding expression for n = k + 1. If you do, then the proof is complete.
 
General_Sax said:
So, there is no theorem to use?

Could almost say this is the theorem.

Multiply your last bracket by x
on the next line multiply that same last bracket by -1.
Compare. Add.

This is a very useful formula.
That last bracket is the geometrical series for example, hence you calculate it equals (xk - 1)/(x - 1). Heard anything like that before?
 
Thanks for the help people. I think I've got it. Just used formula for geometric series and did some algebra -- hope it's good enough.
 
General_Sax said:
Thanks for the help people. I think I've got it. Just used formula for geometric series and did some algebra -- hope it's good enough.
Did you really mean that you used the formula for the geometric series? This theorem?
For all real numbers x such that |x|<1, ##\sum_{k=0}^\infty x^k=\frac{1}{1-x}.##​
This theorem is much harder to understand than the formula you're trying to prove, because it involves convergence. Its standard proof uses the formula you're trying to prove, which by the way holds for all real numbers x, not just the ones that satisfy |x|<1.

General_Sax said:
So, there is no theorem to use?
Only the distributive laws a(b+c)=ab+ac, (a+b)c=ac+bc, and if you want to do a rigorous proof that the result of the multiplication is what you (should) think it is, you have to use induction.

General_Sax said:
Should I try to factor (x-1) out of the expression?
Wouldn't that give you two factors of (x-1)? That would only make things worse.
 
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Thanks for the additional effort/attention Fredrik, but I've already used the geometric "series" -- perhaps it's more accurate to use the term "sum" -- in a proof.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geometric_series#Formula

that's the one I used. Just split it up w/ some algebra. It's for a CMPUT course and we haven't much experience with proofs so I don't think they expect much rigour.
 
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So basically you took the formula ##1+x+\cdots+x^{k-1}=\frac{1-x^{k}}{1-x}## (which doesn't hold for x=1 by the way) and just multiplied it by x-1? If I was your teacher, I wouldn't accept that as an answer. (The formula you found is too similar to what you're supposed to prove). Why don't you just do the multiplication on your right-hand side to see what you get? Do you know how to evaluate a(b+c)? How about (a+b)(b+c)? How about (a+b)(b+c+d)?
 

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