X-t plot of underdamped motion

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The discussion revolves around the x-t plot of underdamped motion, specifically examining the intersection points of two curves representing the motion. Participants explore the implications of these intersections and the accuracy of the plot.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an x-t plot of underdamped motion and questions whether the curves intersect at points other than those shown in the plot.
  • Another participant cautions against overinterpreting the plot due to its inaccuracies, noting "kinks" in the curves that should not exist.
  • It is suggested that the curves likely represent the functions e^{-at} and e^{-at}cos(bt), with a later clarification that they touch at one point when cos(bt) = 1.
  • One participant argues that mathematically, there should not be two solutions at each peak for the equation exp(-at)=exp(-at)cos(bt).
  • Another participant proposes that the red curve may not have a zero slope at the intersection, as the maxima and minima of the two functions occur at different times.
  • A participant acknowledges a correction to their earlier comments regarding the slopes of the curves.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the accuracy of the plot and the implications of the intersection points, indicating that multiple competing interpretations remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential inaccuracies in the plot, such as the presence of "kinks" and the fitting of smooth curves through data points, which may affect the interpretation of the slopes and intersections.

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Here is the x-t plot of underdamped motion:

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=unde...2&tbnw=151&start=0&ndsp=20&ved=1t:429,r:2,s:0

At the intersection of the red curve and the blue curve, the red curve has a slope of 0 but the blue curve has a nonzero slope.

Therefore, does it mean that these two curves actually intersect at some other points very close to the intersections already show in the plot?
 
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Don't try to read too much into the plot. It's not very accurately drawn. You can see some "kinks" in the top blue curve at about t= 0.2 and t= 0.4 which shouldn't be there.

Most likely it's a plot of e^{-at} and e^{-at}\cos(bt) (you can guess the values of a and b for yourself).

EDIT: first comment was wrong!

When \cos(bt) = 1, the slope of both curves is -a e^{-at} so the two curves touch at one point.

But the curves in your link are probably drawn by fitting a "smooth curve" through a set of points, and so they will not necessarily have the correct tangents and the two curves look as if they intersect twice.
 
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But mathematically there shouldn't be any reason that the equation exp(-at)=exp(-at)cos(bt) have 2 solutions at each peak.
 
Or it might be the case that the red curve does not have a zero slope at the intersection. (Because exp(-at)cos(bt) and cos(bt) reach max/min at different t)
 
Sorry, my first comments in post #2 were wrong - now fixed.
 

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