XY Plane with Z as Time: Big Bang?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of the universe's dimensionality shortly after the Big Bang, specifically whether there was a brief period when the universe could be described as an xy plane with z representing time. Participants explore the implications of this idea and its relation to existing theories, particularly those involving spontaneous dimension reduction.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that shortly after the Big Bang, the universe may have existed in a state where the third dimension was represented by time, questioning the transition from a three-dimensional to a four-dimensional universe.
  • Others inquire about references for this idea, mentioning the work of Professor Steven Carlip, who has explored concepts related to spontaneous dimension reduction at very short scales, such as the Planck length.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the connection between Carlip's work and the proposed dimensionality of the universe, noting that they are not familiar with his research.
  • Another participant references Carlip's work on 2+1-dimensional gravity, suggesting it as a model for understanding classical and quantum gravity, but questions its relevance to actual physical reality.
  • Several participants discuss the implications of naming conventions in physics, suggesting that the designation of dimensions (e.g., using z for time) is arbitrary.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the validity of the idea that the universe had a brief period of reduced dimensions or its implications. Multiple competing views remain regarding the interpretation of Carlip's work and its relevance to the discussion.

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Limitations include the lack of references supporting the initial claim about the dimensionality of the universe and the speculative nature of the connections drawn to Carlip's research. The discussion also reflects uncertainty about the implications of naming conventions in physics.

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Shortly after the Big Bang was there an extremely brief period of time when the universe consisted of an xy plane with z as time, the third dimension? In other words did a three dimensional universe predate a four dimensional universe?
 
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sloughter said:
Shortly after the Big Bang was there an extremely brief period of time when the universe consisted of an xy plane with z as time, the third dimension? In other words did a three dimensional universe predate a four dimensional universe?

Do you have any reference for this idea?

There is a concept (especially pursued by Professor Steven Carlip) that at very short scales (Planck length), the number of dimensions decreases (spontaneous dimension reduction). However, I have no idea of this is what you are referring to. Also, z is just a letter of the alphabet. If z functions as time, you might as well call it t (or Bob for that matter; it doesn't matter what you call it).
 
No--I do not have a reference for that idea. Yes---that is what I meant about the third dimension being time. I was not familiar with the work of Professor Steven Carlip and can only speculate that these dimensions may even be shorter than the Planck length.
 
PAllen said:
There is a concept (especially pursued by Professor Steven Carlip) that at very short scales (Planck length), the number of dimensions decreases (spontaneous dimension reduction).
I know that Carlip has worked on 2+1-dimensional gravity as a simple model for both classical and quantum gravity, but I can't find any mention that he thinks it has any connection to reality, even at the Planck scale.
 
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