"Y plus" calculator value for a fuel bundle

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the appropriate reference length for calculating the y plus value for a fuel bundle, specifically in the context of fluid dynamics and computational fluid dynamics (CFD) applications. Participants explore the use of hydraulic diameter and its implications for analyzing flow in fuel rod bundles.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant mentions using the hydraulic diameter defined as 4A/P, where A is the cross-sectional area and P is the wetted perimeter, and questions its correctness.
  • Another participant confirms that if the reference length is described by the hydraulic diameter, it is appropriate to use it, and asks if the calculator documentation defines 'reference length'.
  • It is noted that the reference length helps convert the fuel rod bundle into an equivalent pipe flow for easier analysis.
  • Some participants reference external discussions and resources that elaborate on turbulence scale length and hydraulic diameter.
  • Further elaboration on the characteristics of PWR and BWR assemblies is provided, highlighting the uniformity and structural features that may affect flow analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the appropriateness of using hydraulic diameter as the reference length, with some supporting its use while others raise questions about its application in specific contexts. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to determine the reference length.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention complexities related to the geometry of fuel assemblies, including the presence of spacer grids and variations in rod lengths, which may influence the choice of reference length. There are also references to external resources that may not be universally accepted or agreed upon.

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Hi everyone,
I am using a online y plus calculator to work out the y plus value for a fuel bundle.
http://www.pointwise.com/yplus/

In regards to the reference length, I have been told by peers to utilise the hydraulic diameter using 4A/P
where A is the cross sectional area, and P is the wetted perimeter.
Is this correct or is there any other better ways to undergo this.
Thank you in advance
 
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Meb15aa said:
In regards to the reference length, I have been told by peers to utilise the hydraulic diameter using 4A/P
where A is the cross sectional area, and P is the wetted perimeter.
Is this correct or is there any other better ways to undergo this.
For the calculator in question, if the reference length, L, is described by the hydraulic diameter, then yes, it is correct to use it as mentioned. Does the calculator documentation discuss or describe the 'reference length'? In other words, how is the 'reference length' defined?

CFD-online has the following discussion on turbulence scale length.
https://www.cfd-online.com/Wiki/Turbulent_length_scale
 
Also others have used similar approaches
https://www.researchgate.net/post/What_is_the_characteristic_length_of_the_annular_region_of_a_concentric_cylinder
 
Meb15aa said:
the reference length is used to convert the fuel rod bundle into an equivalent pipe flow that is easier to analyse

https://www.nuclear-power.net/nuclear-engineering/fluid-dynamics/internal-flow/hydraulic-diameter-2/
So one wants to determine the reference length of an assembly as opposed to the subchannels in the lattice?

Bear in mind that PWR assemblies have uniform arrays, more or less, with spacer grids, and guide tubes may have some flow if not blocked by thimble plugs. Spacer grids in the active core are made of Zr-alloy and have mixing vanes, and some assemblies have mid-span mixing grids, which are shorter (in height) than the structural grids.

BWR fuel assemblies used to be more uniform, with one or two water rods which also served to fix the spacer grids. Nowadays, BWR rods have two groups of part-length rods (different lengths) that terminate in the core, and water channels that are round, square or cruciform.
 

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