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The problem involves a quantum mechanics scenario where the state of a field is described by a state vector with photons in a specific mode. The original poster seeks to determine the expected result and variance of a measurement related to the number of photons in that mode.

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  • The original poster considers whether the state is pure or mixed and discusses the implications of the density operator. They express confusion regarding the contribution of the |n+2> term and seek hints on how to proceed. Other participants clarify that the state is indeed pure and question the observable corresponding to the measurement of photon number.

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term, while the original poster acknowledges progress in calculating the mean but does not reach a consensus on the variance or the overall approach.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of quantum state representations and measurement observables, with some assumptions about the nature of the state being discussed. The original poster's concerns about the density operator and the implications of the state being pure or mixed are central to the conversation.

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1. So, here is the problem: Suppose the state of the field is described by a state vector->

[tex]|\psi> = \sqrt(3)/2|n>_{m} + 1/2|n+2>_{m}[/tex]

( [tex]|n>_{m}[/tex] means "n" photons in mode "m" and zero photons in every other mode)

If a measurement is made to determine th number of photons in mode "m"
a) What is going to be the expected result?
b) What is going to be the variance?

So, I was taking a look at it and I realized (or at least I think) that this might be a pure state because all the photons reside in a single mode. So, we could find the density operator, [tex]\rho[/tex], and it will be either one or zero since [tex]\rho=\rho^2[/tex]. So, the mean will equal Tr([tex]\rho[/tex]n) however that will equal infinity which is does not seem to make sense. Then, alternatively I tried deriving another expression for the density operator- using some crazy assumptions such as [tex](a^+)^2 |n>= \sqrt((n+1)(n+2))|n+2>[/tex] so that is what I have now and I don't know what to do with this...

So, what am I missing here? Is this really a pure state or is this a mixed state? Or do you have to assume something else? My main problem is dealing with the |n+2> part which is greatly bothering me. Once I get the mean it should be straightforward to find the variance. Any hints and comments would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Since you are given a state vector, it's a pure state. A mixed state means a classical ensemble of state vectors. Here you know exactly what state you are in.

You want to measure the number of photons, what observable (operator) corresponds to that measurement?
 
Hey Galileo, thanks for the input. N is the observable that I believe corresponds to that measurement. I just don't know how to handle the |n+2> situation...
 
There's nothing strange with |n+2>.

If you were given that the state was [tex]|\psi> = \sqrt(3)/2|2>_{m} + 1/2|4>_{m}[/tex]
would you be able to calculate the expectation value of N?
What if the state was [tex]|\psi> = \sqrt(3)/2|34>_{m} + 1/2|36>_{m}[/tex]?

You're just looking at the same problem for a general value of n.
 
Actually I figured it out the answer to the mean: you can use the following expressions:

[tex]n\hat|n> = n|n><br /> n\hat|n+2> = n+2|n>[/tex]

So, when it is all said and done the mean should be [tex]n + 1/2[/tex]
Thanks a lot for the help!
 

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