Your opinion about Mr.Zapatero

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The discussion centers around opinions and perspectives on José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero, the Prime Minister of Spain, particularly in relation to his political stance, economic policies, and international relations, including the U.S.A., France, and Germany. Participants express various viewpoints on his leadership, the implications of socialism, and the historical context of Spain's political landscape.

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  • Some participants express confusion about Zapatero's political ideology, questioning whether he is a communist and discussing the implications of socialism in Spain.
  • Others argue that Zapatero's government has led to high unemployment rates, contrasting it with the previous administration under José María Aznar, which reportedly reduced unemployment significantly.
  • A few participants challenge the accuracy of claims regarding unemployment statistics, suggesting that the situation under Zapatero may not be as dire as presented.
  • There are comments on the perception of Spain's international relations, particularly regarding its stance on the Iraq war and its relationship with the U.S.A., France, and Germany.
  • Some participants reflect on the American media's portrayal of Zapatero and socialism, indicating a bias against leftist politics.
  • Discussion includes references to historical context, with one participant mentioning Spain's colonial past and its impact on current perceptions of the country.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus; multiple competing views remain regarding Zapatero's effectiveness, the implications of his policies, and the broader political context in Spain and internationally.

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Participants express varying levels of knowledge about Spanish politics and history, which may influence their opinions. There are references to specific unemployment statistics and political ideologies that are not universally agreed upon.

  • #61
Perhaps you mean this;

http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1001/p07s02-woeu.htm

Last week, his administration announced plans for a "road map" that would treat all religions equally under the law, remove religious symbols from public spaces, and end compulsory religious instruction in public schools.

Another deliberate attempt to prove whatever point you want to make by abusing the facts? Or do you mean that your religion should be more equal than another one's?
 
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  • #62
Mercator said:
Or do you mean that your religion should be more equal than another one's?

Of course If you mean my religion has to be more present in spanish culture than islamic religion. Of course again, the majority of us are christians. It's a question of common sense.
 
  • #63
Clausius2 said:
Of course If you mean my religion has to be more present in spanish culture than islamic religion. Of course again, the majority of us are christians. It's a question of common sense.

You don't read, do you?

So again:
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1001/p07s02-woeu.htm

"The church has long had a monopoly on morality," says Mayoral, "but now there is not just one religion, but a plurality of faiths." He notes that today less than 30 percent of Spaniards identify themselves as practicing Catholics, while roughly 70 percent did 25 years ago.
The country's religious composition now is also far more diverse: There are an estimated 1,000,000 Muslims and more than 2,000,000 Protestants living within Spain's borders.




And I did not say that your religion has no right to be more PRESENT. Do you understand equal treatment versus equally present?
Anyway, you cannot give substance to your original claim, so what is your real agenda here? Is your family name Franco?
 
  • #64
JohnDubYa said:
Being American, the only countries I know anything about are my own and Iraq.

Was there an edit, or is this a misquote?
 
  • #65
Mercator said:
You don't read, do you?

So again:
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1001/p07s02-woeu.htm

"The church has long had a monopoly on morality," says Mayoral, "but now there is not just one religion, but a plurality of faiths." He notes that today less than 30 percent of Spaniards identify themselves as practicing Catholics, while roughly 70 percent did 25 years ago.
The country's religious composition now is also far more diverse: There are an estimated 1,000,000 Muslims and more than 2,000,000 Protestants living within Spain's borders.

And I did not say that your religion has no right to be more PRESENT. Do you understand equal treatment versus equally present?
Anyway, you cannot give substance to your original claim, so what is your real agenda here? Is your family name Franco?

Be sure I am not going to waste any minute at reading a report made by a foreigner about my country. I know better than him what is happening here. Do not say stupid things, because I will have to name you STUPID instead of FRANCO. Measure your words, Mercator. I haven't got anymore to say to you. So please do not write here never again.
 
  • #66
Clausius2 said:
Be sure I am not going to waste any minute at reading a report made by a foreigner about my country. I know better than him what is happening here. Do not say stupid things, because I will have to name you STUPID instead of FRANCO. Measure your words, Mercator. I haven't got anymore to say to you. So please do not write here never again.
If you want to be taken serious, then give facts, figures, references about the bad deeds of Zapatero. But apparently you cannot.
Frankly spoken, it is about time that a Zapatero comes along in Spain. Your sacred catholic heritage has brought us niceties like the inquisition, brutal colonisation in the name of christ, invasion of a.o. my country and the last dictatorship in Western Europe. If you are proud of that, that's your problem. But Europe has changed and luckily so did most of your country. We don't need that catholic fundamentalism anymore. And if you like it or not, your country is being made secular at last. I pity people that need to vent their frustration because they are loosing their unearned favourite treatment, on a foreign website, but are too stiff to even consider that perhaps somebody does not agree with them. What a disgrace it must be for such a person that the most beautiful buildings in his country are not catholic, but Islamic; the Alhambra.
 
  • #67
And it's agreed I will not write here never again.
 
  • #68
BTW, you started this thread so called to know the opinion of the people here on Mr. Zapatero, but when the reactions do not fit your preassumptions, you start whining. If your opinion is that " Zapatero can do as many good things that he likes, I am a right wing conservative catholic and I will never approve of a man like Zapatero", then just say it and we don't need to spend any more time on such an obviously biased piece of nonsense and you can aslo spend more time in church.
 
  • #69
Be sure I am not going to waste any minute at reading a report made by a foreigner about my country. I know better than him what is happening here. Do not say stupid things, because I will have to name you STUPID instead of FRANCO. Measure your words, Mercator. I haven't got anymore to say to you. So please do not write here never again.
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If this is how you treat people I need not waste my time posting my feelings and views on the topic. You have no right to ask him to "not write here ever again" its called a free forum. Perhaps the current socialism in your country is blurring the meaning of freedom for you. You seem to have a problem reading a report from a foreigner about your country but you read reports from your media about OUR country, how is this different? Also I, along with just about every other American (if not EVERY) on these forums go to the links provided by you and other Europeans. I can not even believe you would say what you said in that last post.
"I will have to name you stupid" real nice.

"please do not write here ever again" and you have the right to say this?

"I am not going to waste any minute at reading a report made by a foreigner about my country. I know better than him what is happening here."

We know plenty well what is happening in America but you seemed to like to comment on our election, not to mention MANY other things. How is that different?
 
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  • #70
This thread has become a religious battle, closed.
 

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