"Zorba The Greek" dance music - based on traditional themes?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the origins of the dance music from "Zorba The Greek," specifically whether it is based on traditional folk music themes or if it is an original composition. The conversation explores influences, inspirations, and the relationship between the music and older melodic content.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if the dance music is based on traditional folk themes or if it is an original melody.
  • Another participant references an article suggesting that the music contains older melodic content and mentions its connection to Cretan traditional dances.
  • A participant recalls a film studies seminar discussing the influence of Russian folk music on Theodorakis, noting similarities in musical structure.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the distinction between being inspired by traditional music and directly copying melodic themes, highlighting the difficulty in finding traditional Greek dance music online.
  • A later reply introduces a linguistic note about the term "cerca," adding a layer of discussion unrelated to the music itself.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the music is based on traditional themes or if it stands as an original composition. Multiple competing views remain regarding the influences and inspirations behind the music.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of inspiration versus direct influence, and the availability of traditional Greek dance music for comparison is noted as a challenge.

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Is the dance music from "Zorba The Greek" based on themes from older and traditional folk music? - or is it essentially an original melody?
 
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From the above reference:
During 1964, Theodorakis wrote the music for the Michael Cacoyiannis film Zorba the Greek, whose main theme, since then, exists as a trademark for Greece. It is also known as ‘Syrtaki dance,’ inspired from old Cretan traditional dances.

This excerpt jibes with what I was taught in a film studies seminar cerca 1967. The professor also compared the Greek/Cretan tunes in "Zorba" to Russian folk 'wedding dance' music played primarily on the balalaika where the song often begins at a slow pace becoming increasingly more frenzied. The article hints at Russian influence on Theodorakis during his French period.
 
jim mcnamara said:
Try: https://walkerhomeschoolblog.wordpr...s-and-zorbas-dance-from-zorba-the-greek-1964/

Music repeats a lot of older melodic content as described above.

From that article:
During 1964, Theodorakis wrote the music for the Michael Cacoyiannis film Zorba the Greek, whose main theme, since then, exists as a trademark for Greece. It is also known as ‘Syrtaki dance,’ inspired from old Cretan traditional dances.

However, this doesn't answer my question because a composition may be "inspired by" or "influenced by" other pieces of music and yet not copy any melodic themes from those pieces. The popularity of the "Zorba The GreeK" theme makes it difficult to find (online) any other music for traditional Greek dances!

(By contrast there are situations such as Copland's "Appalachian Spring" where the source of the theme "Tis a Gift To Be Simple" can be found in its original form.)
 
Klystron said:
This excerpt jibes with what I was taught in a film studies seminar cerca 1967.
Since this forum section also deals with linguistics, it's on-topic to mention that cerca is Spanish (pronounced "sair' ka") or Italian (pronounced "chair' ka"). In Spanish, it's often appears as cerca de, meaning "near to" in the physical sense. The Latin word you're looking for is circa, representing temporal nearness.
 

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