Zwiebach Page 183: Tracelessness with p^2=0?

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of tracelessness in the context of equation 10.107 from Zwiebach's text, particularly when the condition p^2 = 0 is applied. Participants are examining the implications of this condition on the elements of the tensor h_II and the summation conventions used in the equations.

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  • Participants are questioning whether p^2 = 0 implies that all diagonal elements of h_II must be zero or just their sum. There is also a discussion about the implications of the Einstein summation convention and its application in the context of the equations presented.

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The conversation is exploring different interpretations of the equations and the conditions under which h_II is considered traceless. Some participants have provided insights into the summation conventions, while others are clarifying the source of the traceless condition and its relation to the equations cited.

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There is an ongoing debate about the implications of the Einstein summation convention in different formalisms, particularly regarding whether indices appearing in the same position (both up or both down) should be summed. This highlights potential ambiguities in the interpretation of the equations presented in Zwiebach's text.

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Zwiebach says equation 10.107 means h_II is traceless when p^2 equals 0. But it seems to me like p^2 = 0 would mean that every element in the diagonal would need be zero as opposed to only their sum? There is no implied summation in 10.107 is there?

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ehrenfest said:

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Zwiebach says equation 10.107 means h_II is traceless when p^2 equals 0.
That's not what he says. The fact that h is traceless comes from Eq 10.100 (see also 10.101).

Then, when he gets to 10.107, he says that if p^2=0, there is no condition at all on h^(IJ) arising from 10.107. But then he reminds the reader that H^(IJ) is not completely free since it must obey the equation 10.101, i.e. be traceless.

So the traceless condition does not arise from 10.107.


But it seems to me like p^2 = 0 would mean that every element in the diagonal would need be zero as opposed to only their sum? There is no implied summation in 10.107 is there?
But if p^2 =0, it means that we know nothing at all about the elements h^(IJ)! I don't see why you say that it tells us that all the elements are zero!
 
Okay, so it seems like there is an implied summation in 10.101 since apparently h^II really means the h_11 + h_22 + h_33 + h_44 ... h_dd = 0.
 
ehrenfest said:
Okay, so it seems like there is an implied summation in 10.101 since apparently h^II really means the h_11 + h_22 + h_33 + h_44 ... h_dd = 0.

Zwiebach uses Einstein's summation convention: whenever two indices are repeated, a summation over those that index is implied (there *are* some equations where an index is repeated but the summation is not implied. In those cases the author usually says explicitly that a summation is not implied. But if the author says nothing and an index is repeated, summation is implied).
 
In this equation, the index I appears twice as a superscript. I thought the Einstein summation convention only summed over indices that appeared once up and once down?
 
ehrenfest said:
In this equation, the index I appears twice as a superscript. I thought the Einstein summation convention only summed over indices that appeared once up and once down?

You are right if one uses a covariant formalism. But if one uses a noncovariant formalism like the light-cone coordinates, then one usually extends the summation convention to include indices that are both upstairs or downstairs.
 
I see. Thanks.
 

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