Can an Object in Motion Remain Moving with Balanced Forces?

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In summary, the conversation discussed the laws of motion by Isaac Newton and the possibility of an object moving without the presence of a net force. The participants considered an example of a person on a sled and the forces acting on them, ultimately concluding that inertia is not a force but a property of mass. The conversation also touched on the concept of a force and how it relates to an object's motion.
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I'm doing a project on isaac Newton for global studies and was trying to find graphics on the internet demonstrating his laws of motion. I came across a website which had a diagram of an object on a totally level surface with a force of n being applied from both the top and bottom and no other forces shown being applied. Then they asked the reader whether or not it was possible for the object to be moving, and I thought of course not, I checked to see what the website said was the answer and they said that an object with equal forces being applied to it from above and below could be in motion. To demonstrate this they showed a picture of a person on a sled who had perviously gone down a hill and was traveling along a straight surface. The website elaborated that the only forces affecting the rider were gravity pulling him towards the Earth and the snow pushing back against gravity.

This instantly seemed wrong to me. Firstly I thought that inertia is a force and must be somehow illustrated. Also, there would be force exerted on him by the air he's displacing, pulling him in all sorts of directions and slowing him. Then there's the drag that the sled would experience due to the snow it's riding on.

But perhaps they just chose a poor example to demonstrate their point.

Essentially, my question is; if you have an object on a flat surface and the only forces being exerted on it are the downward force of gravity and the upward force of the surface it's resting on pushing against gravity, could it be moving?

If an object is moving due to inertia, does it still count as a force?
 
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This instantly seemed wrong to me. Firstly I thought that inertia is a force and must be somehow illustrated. Also, there would be force exerted on him by the air he's displacing, pulling him in all sorts of directions and slowing him. Then there's the drag that the sled would experience due to the snow it's riding on.
Inertia is not a force. Consider it as a property of mass.

You are correct that a more realistic situation would consider air resistance and friction. But these forces would tend to slow down the sled, not keep it moving. (They are assuming that these forces are small and can be ignored. A reasonable assumption for the exercise.)

The example is meant to illustrate that a net force is not required for motion to occur. This is Newton's first law.
Essentially, my question is; if you have an object on a flat surface and the only forces being exerted on it are the downward force of gravity and the upward force of the surface it's resting on pushing against gravity, could it be moving?
Of course it can.
If an object is moving due to inertia, does it still count as a force?
No. An object can be said to have inertia, but that isn't a force. (A force requires an agent: something to exert the force.) The point of Newton's laws is that force is not needed to maintain motion. The natural inertia of mass keeps things moving (or not moving) until a force compels it to change its motion (speed up, slow down, or turn).
 
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The answer to this question depends on the specific scenario and variables involved. In the case of the person on a sled, it is possible for them to be in motion even with equal forces being applied from above and below. This is because the person, along with the sled, has already gained momentum and inertia from going down the hill. In this scenario, the force of gravity pulling them down is balanced by the force of the surface pushing up against them, allowing them to continue moving at a constant speed along the flat surface. In this case, inertia is not considered a force, but rather a property of an object that resists changes in motion.

However, if we were to consider a scenario where the person and sled were stationary on a flat surface and the only forces acting on them were gravity and the surface pushing back, then they would not be in motion. In this case, the forces are balanced and there is no net force acting on the object, meaning it would remain at rest.

As for your concerns about the other forces, such as air resistance and drag, those would only come into play if the person and sled were already in motion. In that case, they would affect the object's speed and direction, but they would not necessarily be considered forces acting on the object in the same way that gravity and the surface are.

In summary, whether or not an object can be in motion with equal forces being applied from above and below depends on the specific scenario and variables involved. In the case of the person on a sled, it is possible due to their existing momentum and inertia. And inertia itself is not considered a force, but rather a property of an object.
 

1. What is the force acting on a person riding a sled?

The force acting on a person riding a sled is a combination of two forces: the force of gravity pulling the person and sled down the slope, and the force of friction between the sled and the surface of the slope.

2. How do the forces on a sled affect its motion?

The forces on a sled affect its motion by determining its acceleration. If the force of gravity is greater than the force of friction, the sled will accelerate down the slope. If the force of friction is greater, the sled will either move at a constant speed or decelerate.

3. How does the weight of a person affect the forces on a sled?

The weight of a person affects the force of gravity acting on the sled. The greater the person's weight, the greater the force of gravity and the faster the sled will accelerate down the slope.

4. Can the forces on a sled be changed?

Yes, the forces on a sled can be changed by altering the slope of the surface or by changing the weight of the person on the sled. Additionally, the force of friction can be altered by adding wax to the bottom of the sled or by changing the type of surface the sled is sliding on.

5. What happens to the forces on a sled when it reaches the bottom of the slope?

When a sled reaches the bottom of the slope, the force of friction between the sled and the surface will eventually bring it to a stop. The force of gravity is no longer acting on the sled, so it will come to a rest unless another force, such as a person pushing it, is applied.

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