The discussion centers on the aesthetic quality of plots produced by mainstream mathematical and scientific software like Mathematica, Matlab, Python (Matplotlib), and Gnuplot. Participants express skepticism about achieving "beautiful" and "aesthetic" results with these tools, suggesting that users often face challenges in formatting and design. It is noted that while software vendors promote advanced features, the effort required to achieve visually appealing plots can be significantly higher than the initial calculations. Mathematica is mentioned as a tool used for textbook writing, but examples of its output meeting high aesthetic standards in academic papers are rare. Overall, the consensus leans towards the idea that achieving professional-quality visuals often necessitates additional design work beyond what mainstream software provides.