ZapperZ said:
No, they ARE what the OP is looking for.
Not if you actually read the OP;
“where the of observing the photon or electron going through the slits causes a collapse of the wave function”
Not figuring it out by using one of a pair of photons or electrons as a proxy for detecting the other going through a certain slit.
The problem here is in how one actually determine when a photon passes through one of the slit, or maintain the superposition, without destroying the photon.
Of course that is nearly impossible to do, that’s why posts 11, 13, 15 referred to the electron version of the experiment as the one claimed by some texts as the one actually being preformed. I recall reading them but don’t recall the books or if they gave credit to anyone doing the actual test.
I’ll draw the picture for you again – I would have though you knew this kind of stuff.
The main point of the experimental proof was not the directly observed electrons but the indirectly observed electrons. As already described you can detect single electrons passing close to just one slit that they have a chance of going through; without detecting electrons close enough to the other slit that they might go through. Using those detections they could match them with individual hits on the pattern detection screen. By detecting half of the screen hits as coming from the tested slit they could know without directly testing of interfering with the other half that they had to have gone through the other slit. Now they had three definable groups of Electron hits to examine for the pattern produced by each the full group and two half groups one path detected the other not directly path detected but still of know slit origin.
The results are expected by us now, but not by them at the time.
When the one slit detection equipment was turned on the full group pattern changed from interference to just dispersion
And of course the detected group pattern also showed no interference, after all those electrons were getting randomly beat up by a photon beam designed to detect them as they entered or exited the slit on one side.
Obviously, the pattern being created by the other half of the electrons was being masked the detected half in the whole larger group – right.
But, no when they examined the pattern of the remaining group of untested at the slit electrons that group also showed just a dispersion pattern.
The point as least implied in the textbooks is that these types of experiments were the first to indicate that knowledge even obtained indirectly was enough to disturb the wave like character of individual particles.
AND that dealing with this information about how realty worked was an important part of defining HUP and Copenhagen. (Unless Zz you have some reference that they were doing correlated "twin". experiments prior to 1926)
So the question remains – does someone or some several merit credit for actually providing real experimental results that influenced Bohr & Heisenberg. Or were these just thought experiments that were never actually preformed?
I believe they were done, but have not been able to find a record or resource to confirm it.
. Read the paper, not just the abstract.
Well I’m going to trust the author when his abstract says they are not using a single particle (one at a time) test.
If you think their abstract is a misrepresentation, provide an excerpt from the full text. I’m not going to subscribe to a service or pay for a paper I don’t need.