# Riemann-Sieltjes vs. Lebesgue

by jsr9119
Tags: lebesgue integration, riemann-stieltjes
 P: 14 Hey guys, I'm doing a paper on the Radon transform and several sources I've come across cite the Lebesgue integral as a necessary tool to handle measures in higher order transforms. But, Radon's original paper employs the Riemann-Stieltjes integral in its place. I read that Lebesgue is more general and so Radon could have used it in place of RSI. Is this the case? Thanks, Jeff
 PF Patron Sci Advisor Thanks Emeritus P: 15,673 The Lebesgue integral is indeed more general than the Riemann integral. Using measure theory, we can also develop the Lebesgue-Stieltjes integral, and this is a generalization of the Riemann-Stieltjes integral. So yes, the paper could probably be written with Lebesgue instead of Riemann. But there may be technical differences between the two.
 Sci Advisor P: 2,892 Is there a distinction between "Lebesgue Integration" and "integration with respect to Lebesgue measure"? My impressions is that "Lebesgue measure" on the real number line is a particular measure that implements the usual notion of length, so the measure of a single point would be zero. On the other hand, is "Lebesgue integration" defined with respect to an arbitrary measure? For Lebesgue Integration to include Riemann-Stieljes integration as a special case, is it necessary to use measures other than Legesgue measure? (I'm thinking of the specific example of defining an integration that can integrate a discrete probability density function by the method of assigning non-zero measure to certain isolated points and turning "integration" into summation.)
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## Riemann-Sieltjes vs. Lebesgue

Lebesgue-Stieljes integral is best described as Lebesgue integration with respect to a given measure.
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 Quote by Stephen Tashi Is there a distinction between "Lebesgue Integration" and "integration with respect to Lebesgue measure"? My impressions is that "Lebesgue measure" on the real number line is a particular measure that implements the usual notion of length, so the measure of a single point would be zero. On the other hand, is "Lebesgue integration" defined with respect to an arbitrary measure?
Yes. Lebesgue integration is defined with respect to a measure. The procedure is the same, but different measures give different integrals.

 For Lebesgue Integration to include Riemann-Stieljes integration as a special case, is it necessary to use measures other than Legesgue measure?
The Lebesgue measure is derived from the set function ##m((a,b])=b-a##.
The Stieljes measure is derived from the set function ##m(a,b]) = g(b)-g(a)## for some monotonically increasing function g.

 (I'm thinking of the specific example of defining an integration that can integrate a discrete probability density function by the method of assigning non-zero measure to certain isolated points and turning "integration" into summation.)
Summation is a special case of Lebesgue integration, using the counting measure over Z, or Dirac measure over R.
 PF Patron Sci Advisor Thanks Emeritus P: 15,673 In my experience, it's a bit ambiguous. When talking about Lebesgue integration, sometimes people talk about general integration wrt a measure and sometimes they talk about integration wrt Lebesgue measure. It's usually clear from the context though.

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