
#1
Feb1013, 10:38 PM

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Suppose a (parallel plate) capacitor of capacitance C is charged to a potential difference V and then disconnected and isolated. Energy stored E_{1}= Q^{2}/2C.
Now if a material of appropriate dimensions and dielectric constant K is fully inserted between the plates, energy stored E_{2}= Q^{2}/2KC. E_{2} < E_{1}. My question is: where did the "missing" energy go? 



#2
Feb1013, 10:40 PM

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How much force does it take to insert the dielectric?




#3
Feb1013, 10:45 PM

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#4
Feb1013, 10:47 PM

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Energy stored in capacitor w/ dielectricI don't know the answer to your question, but that is where I would look first. 



#5
Feb1013, 10:55 PM

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Never thought about it. Does the electric field set up between the plates oppose the insertion of the dielectric?
Wild guess on my part: The energy is used to attract the dielectric, because the capacitor system with it has lesser energy (i.e. more preferable) than the capacitor without the dielectric. Comment? 



#6
Feb1013, 10:58 PM

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That is my guess also, but I don't know.




#7
Feb1113, 08:42 AM

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When you approach the capacitor with dielectric material, the capacitor will in fact attract the material. This pulling force performs work on the material and can be extracted or dissipated. The final energy of the condenser is lower by this amount of extracted/dissipated work.




#8
Feb1213, 05:10 AM

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Guess that clears it. Thanks all.




#9
Feb1213, 11:22 AM

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Note: To add a bit of understanding (or possible confusion!!)
If the capacitor happens to be disconnected from the charging source / battery, the PD across it will reduce as the dielectric is inserted. If it is connected to the source then a current will flow during the insertion because the PD will be held constant by the battery. It may be of interest to consider what exactly happens to the energy in both of these cases. If the capacitor is disconnected and the arrangement is frictionless (and no other energy losses  zero internal resistance in the battery, etc.), the dielectric will be pulled into the middle but then its KE will carry it out the other side and it will oscillate for ever, back and forth. But there will be a smart 'someone' who realises that EM energy will be radiated due to the AC in the system, so the oscillations will always die down, in the end. 



#10
Jan214, 09:19 PM

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sice the capacitor is isolated so v=0 hence force is zero 



#11
Jan214, 10:42 PM

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Just because the capacitor is isolated doesn't mean that V=0; I don't know what would lead you to believe that. Per the setup V is nonzero and there is a force.



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