Is Stealing Justified in War?

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In summary, the conversation discussed the differences between George W. Bush and his father's approach to the war in Iraq. One person believed that Bush Sr. made a mistake in withdrawing from Iraq, while the other argued that the current administration's actions are driven by a thirst for blood. The conversation also touched on the idea of retreating from population centers and concentrating on protecting oil infrastructure, and the potential for the Iraqi people to attack American forces. The conversation ended with a discussion on stealing and the concept of "stealing" in different contexts.
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schwarzchildradius
How do you reconcile GWB's father's wise choice of withdrawing from Iraq with the son's incessant thirst for blood?
 
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Dubya, from all accounts, takes after his mother, who is apparently a cast-iron b****.
 
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What is there to reconcile?
We didn't take over last time because that wasn't what the original intention was. You can't bring in 500,000+ coalition, and then after the original goal is done say "okay, we're changing things up, let's go ahead and take out the government".

Completely different scenario and context more than a decade later.
 
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It occurred to me that GWB is in Crawford, Cheney is swinging through Alaska on his way to Japan... who's in Washington? Did anybody let them know that there's a war going on?
This war gets stupider by the day. Finally the Shiites and Sunis have united in a common cause-- evict the Americans. I say, "Mission Accomplished," let's leave them to their own devices. But no it's not that simple. Super-bases must be built. Oil infrastructure defended. As long as our guys are there though, even if they're just defending refineries eventually, they'll be targets for Iraqi nationals who don't want their resources plundered.
 
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Greetings !

Under the circumstances coalition forces can't win this
fight. They should concentrate around the oil wells and
retreat from all population centers. In the open they will
be almost completely safe with their supperiority in heavy
weapons and armor and Iraqis will be less eager to attack
them.

The Muslims can do whatever they want in the meantime
and everybody gets what they want.

Live long and prosper.
 
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schwarzchildradius said:
How do you reconcile GWB's father's wise choice of withdrawing from Iraq with the son's incessant thirst for blood?
Bush SR made a mistake.
 
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drag said:
Greetings !

Under the circumstances coalition forces can't win this
fight. They should concentrate around the oil wells and
retreat from all population centers. In the open they will
be almost completely safe with their supperiority in heavy
weapons and armor and Iraqis will be less eager to attack
them.

The Muslims can do whatever they want in the meantime
and everybody gets what they want.

Live long and prosper.
So just stealing.
"Stealing":
1 : to take the property of another wrongfully and especially as an habitual or regular practice
2 : to come or go secretly, unobtrusively, gradually, or unexpectedly
3 : to steal or attempt to steal a base
transitive senses
1 a : to take or appropriate without right or leave and with intent to keep or make use of wrongfully <stole a car> b : to take away by force or unjust means <they've stolen our liberty> c : to take surreptitiously or without permission <steal a kiss> d : to appropriate to oneself or beyond one's proper share : make oneself the focus of <steal the show>
2 a : to move, convey, or introduce secretly : SMUGGLE b : to accomplish in a concealed or unobserved manner <steal a visit>
3 a : to seize, gain, or win by trickery, skill, or daring <a basketball player adept at stealing the ball> <stole the election> b of a base runner : to reach (a base) safely solely by running and usually catching the opposing team off guard

Drag ... your really have the great American attitude.
 

What is GHWB strategic withdrawal?

GHWB strategic withdrawal refers to the strategic military plan developed and implemented by the administration of George H.W. Bush during his presidency in the late 1980s and early 1990s. It involved the gradual reduction and eventual withdrawal of American troops from the Cold War conflict zones, such as Europe and Korea, in order to save military resources and reduce tensions with the Soviet Union.

Why did GHWB implement this strategy?

GHWB implemented this strategy as part of his foreign policy approach to prioritize diplomacy and reduce American military involvement in international conflicts. The end of the Cold War and the collapse of the Soviet Union also played a significant role in this decision, as it signaled a shift in global power dynamics and a decrease in the need for a large American military presence.

What were the effects of GHWB strategic withdrawal?

The effects of GHWB strategic withdrawal were complex and varied. On one hand, it helped reduce tensions with the Soviet Union and led to the signing of several arms control treaties. It also saved military resources and allowed for a shift towards a more diplomatic approach to foreign relations. On the other hand, it also led to criticism and concerns about the potential power vacuum and instability in the regions where American troops were withdrawn.

Did GHWB strategic withdrawal have any long-term consequences?

Yes, GHWB strategic withdrawal had long-term consequences that are still being felt today. The reduction of American military presence in Europe and Korea led to a shift in global power dynamics and the rise of new regional powers. It also had an impact on the stability of certain regions and the ability of the US to intervene in conflicts. Additionally, some argue that the withdrawal may have contributed to the rise of global terrorism in the 1990s and early 2000s.

How does GHWB strategic withdrawal compare to other US military strategies?

GHWB strategic withdrawal is often compared to other US military strategies, such as the Nixon Doctrine and the Obama administration's pivot to Asia. While all these strategies aimed to reduce American military involvement in certain regions and prioritize diplomacy, each had its own unique approach and goals. GHWB strategic withdrawal was specifically focused on reducing Cold War tensions and saving military resources, while other strategies had different motivations and objectives.

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