Relationship integration math problem

In summary, the conversation was about solving the equation ##\left( y'\right)^2 = y^2 - 1 ## by using a trigonometric substitution and another trick. The solution involves using the substitution y = \cosh x and the relationship \cosh^2 u - \sinh^2 u = 1. Alternatively, solving y = \cosh x for x results in x = \mathrm{arccosh}(y) = \ln\left(y + \sqrt{y^2 - 1}\right).
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This is about attempting to solve ##\left( y'\right)^2 = y^2 - 1 ##.

[tex]\int\frac{dy}{\sqrt{y^2 -1}} = \pm \int dx[/tex]

using a trig. substitution and another trick,

[tex]\int\frac{dy}{\sqrt{y^2 -1}} = \ln\left(y \pm \sqrt{y^2 - 1} \right) + C[/tex]

I'm not sure about that [itex]\pm[/itex] sign. It came in when doing [itex]\tan (\sec^{-1} y)[/itex] since I had [tex]\sec \theta = y \longrightarrow\tan^2 \theta = y^2 -1\longrightarrow \tan \theta = \pm \sqrt{y^2 -1}[/tex]
The solution is supposed to be something like [itex]y = \cosh x[/itex]. But I am not sure how I'm supposed to be getting that from separating and integrating.

[itex]\ln\left(y + \sqrt{y^2 - 1} \right) = \pm x + C [/itex]
[itex]y + \sqrt{y^2 - 1} = C_1e^{\pm x} [/itex]
 
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Please see the attached picture. Not sure if I am correct. I suggest waiting for someone to verify things :smile:
 

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MisterX said:
This is about attempting to solve ##\left( y'\right)^2 = y^2 - 1 ##.

[tex]\int\frac{dy}{\sqrt{y^2 -1}} = \pm \int dx[/tex]

using a trig. substitution and another trick,

[tex]\int\frac{dy}{\sqrt{y^2 -1}} = \ln\left(y \pm \sqrt{y^2 - 1} \right) + C[/tex]

I'm not sure about that [itex]\pm[/itex] sign. It came in when doing [itex]\tan (\sec^{-1} y)[/itex] since I had [tex]\sec \theta = y \longrightarrow\tan^2 \theta = y^2 -1\longrightarrow \tan \theta = \pm \sqrt{y^2 -1}[/tex]
The solution is supposed to be something like [itex]y = \cosh x[/itex]. But I am not sure how I'm supposed to be getting that from separating and integrating.

[itex]\ln\left(y + \sqrt{y^2 - 1} \right) = \pm x + C [/itex]
[itex]y + \sqrt{y^2 - 1} = C_1e^{\pm x} [/itex]

You can do [tex]
\int \frac{1}{\sqrt{y^2 - 1}}\,dy
[/tex] by substituting [itex]y = \cosh u[/itex] so that [itex]dy = \sinh u\,du[/itex] and using the relationship [tex]\cosh^2 u - \sinh^2 u = 1.[/tex]
Alternatively, if you solve [tex]
y = \cosh x = \frac{e^{x} + e^{-x}}{2}
[/tex] for [itex]x = \mathrm{arccosh}(y) \geq 0[/itex] you will find that [tex]\mathrm{arccosh}(y) = \ln\left(y + \sqrt{y^2 - 1}\right).[/tex]

Note that substituting [itex]y = \cosh u[/itex] gets you to the result with considerably less effort than substituting [itex]y = \sec \theta[/itex].
 
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