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He has the most experience as president with the current political atmosphere.
He's my choice, he took over a terrible situation, made some good changes, and needs a second term to see things through as much as possible.Pythagorean said:He has the most experience as president with the current political atmosphere.
Pythagorean said:He has the most experience as president with the current political atmosphere.
mege said:basically just because he's the incumbent he has more experience? I've been driving a car longer than Danica Patrick, but that doesn't make me a better driver.
Pythagorean said:This sentence would be fair alone. But given that the rest of what you said is irrelevant to this election, you display a double standard.
I don't care about what party a candidate belongs to; if you want to whine about democrats, make a new thread. Let's keep partisanship out of this thread.
Pythagorean said:I care about what the president is doing for me.
Greg Bernhardt said:Is that the right attitude? Shouldn't you care about the greater whole rather than self-interest?
Pythagorean said:I don't know what's best for the whole, and I don't like it when people pretend they do. I also don't trust people that claim to; I'm cynical like that.
Greg Bernhardt said:So hypothetically you would vote for a dictator if he included you in his inner circle?
Pythagorean said:also, that's why Obama's going to win the election. Because he appeals to the personal needs of the most people. As Evo said, middle America.
Pythagorean said:also, that's why Obama's going to win the election. Because he appeals to the personal needs of the most people. As Evo said, middle America.
Pengwuino said:Heh, my parents are pure middle class and had nothing but higher taxes and higher medical bills because of him. I'm sometimes curious as to which middle class people are talking about when they say Obama is a man of the middle class.
Pythagorean said:He has the most experience as president with the current political atmosphere.
note: regardless of tuition costs, I am on RA's and TA's, I teach and do research for tuition. Food and gas prices are rising too. That's the nature of the beast, I don't blame Obama for that. But either way, I don't pay tuition, I work under research assitanceships for it, and the stipend rises with the tuition; the hours contracted stay the same.I'm also curious as to what President Obama is doing for you 'as a student of science'?
Pengwuino said:Heh, my parents are pure middle class and had nothing but higher taxes and higher medical bills because of him. I'm sometimes curious as to which middle class people are talking about when they say Obama is a man of the middle class. You can appeal all you want to people, but when they see your actions concerning them, appealing to voters isn't going to be worth much.
Pythagorean said:I'm going to ignore comparison of Obama to the Supreme Leader.. that's ridiculous...
Obama has done a lot to reduce money-powered lobbying.
note: regardless of tuition costs, I am on RA's and TA's, I teach and do research for tuition. Food and gas prices are rising too. That's the nature of the beast, I don't blame Obama for that. But either way, I don't pay tuition, I work under research assitanceships for it, and the stipend rises with the tuition; the hours contracted stay the same.
what he has done for science/education (at least):
5 billion dollars to NIH
lifted the ban on stem cell research funding
student loan relief (caps on repayment rates)
extends more benefits to National Guard members who performed active service and allows for education benefits to be transferred to family members.
investing $2 billion in competitive grants to reform community colleges
$2,500 American Opportunity tax credit for tuition expenses
In general, you can see a list of accomplishments:
http://www.whathasobamadone.org/
I believe that his "experience" is going to be a major problem for him.Pythagorean said:He has the most experience as president with the current political atmosphere.
[stunned] Then how can you vote at all?Pythagorean said:I don't know what's best for the whole, and I don't like it when people pretend they do. I also don't trust people that claim to; I'm cynical like that.
That's how our law system is built, free-market and all, Hobbes, Lock, etc...
You may be right, but that attitude may just kill western democracy. It's doing a fine job in Europe and we're racing to catch up.also, that's why Obama's going to win the election. Because he appeals to the personal needs of the most people. As Evo said, middle America.
Pythagorean said:He has the most experience as president with the current political atmosphere.
I think one reason for that was that he took a hands-off approach to Congress, letting them decide decide the specifics rather than write the legislation himself. In this way, he let a bunch of bickering hyenas argue over things, so in that essence, yes, it could be said he didn't lead his party.mege said:I see the President as being the 'leader of his party' and when he couldn't get 'his agenda' passed through a friendly congress, I have a hard time seeing him being successful.
That partisanship has been going on a long time (I would say since Nixon, though maybe eralier - I'm too young to remember before that).(even if I agreed with his policies) I think much of the extreme partisanship that exists is due to the 'us vs them' mentality that he talks about in nearly every speech. There is always someone for the President to blame it seems. That's not healthy for the country as a whole IMO, especially when we probably all could use less government in our lives.
Say what you want about the previous administration, but nearly all of his 'infamous' policies had vast bipartisan support*. That can't be said about President Obama - he seems too focused on eating the rich (so is that cannibalism?).
*(The tax cuts that were passed through congress in 2001/3 were one of the few major policies passed along party lines - but if they were so bad, why didn't President Obama and his friendly congress totally repeal them - especially when the sunset provision came to term?)
It did? To whom are you referring?Char. Limit said:Wow, didn't take long for this thread to get derailed by anti-Obama fanatics, did it?
russ_watters said:It did? To whom are you referring?
Pythagorean said:I'm going to ignore comparison of Obama to the Supreme Leader.. that's ridiculous...