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Please see the thread:
Why Bush must not be re-elected
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=36532
Anything else?
Why Bush must not be re-elected
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=36532
Anything else?
He would also tell the commission to remain in tact for another 18 months to ensure the proper follow up. I think this shows especially good, clear, practical thinking.
He would also tell the commission to remain in tact for another 18 months to ensure the proper follow up. I think this shows especially good, clear, practical thinking.
Good, clear, practical oxymoron, that is. If he's going to implement the recommendations now, what are they going to study for the next year and a half?Ivan Seeking said:I just heard Kerry state that he would immediately implement the 911 commission recommendations.
He would also tell the commission to remain in tact for another 18 months to ensure the proper follow up. I think this shows especially good, clear, practical thinking.
russ_watters said:Good, clear, practical oxymoron, that is. If he's going to implement the recommendations now, what are they going to study for the next year and a half?
Also, what does it mean to implement them immediately? You can't just press a button and poof, there's a new federal agency. It takes time and effort. Saying he'd "immediately impliment" the recommendations is utterly meaningless rhetoric.
This is why the conventions are both just marketing BS (I hate marketing). I'm hearing people repeating virtually word-for-word the catch-phrases that are being repeated over and over again at the convention. Are you even listening to yourselves? Have you even considered what the words actually mean (hint: they don't mean anything)?
As much as I hate it when people say it about Americans, but the Conventions more than any other events make Americans look like brainwashed sheep. Poll numbers don't lie: Kerry's poll numbers will go up during the convention as people bob their heads to the catch-phrases and clap at the pre-designated lines (aptly called "applause lines" by speachwriters), then slowly forget about it over the next month, making his poll numbers go back down to where they were a week ago.
So he wouldn't really be implimenting the recommendations, just starting to formulate a response? That is, btw, the correct course of action - it's just that he'd never say it. Heck, Kerry didn't even have the chance to read the report before saying he'd implement the recommendations immediately. You don't think that might have been a good idea? Maybe he doesn't agree with all of them - but ehh, who cares, he's acting. [/superhero] Its absurd, meaningless rhetoric.Ivan Seeking said:Are you kidding? They would help to oversee the efforts to respond to the report. [emphasis added]
Leadership, character, and wisdom are not words that apply to Kerry or most upper level Democrats. Voting against your beliefs because a bill will win with or without your support (as discussed in another thread), is not leadership, its hypocrisy and cowardace. Decision making by opinion poll (the Clinton White House) is not leadership, its followership. Leadership is making difficult and sometimes unpopular decisions because you think they are right, regardless of the personal consequences. Regardless of whether or not you agree with his decisions (and I don't agree with all of them either), the fact that Bush makes them on his own, and acts on them is leadership.I think the problem is that you don't wish to recognize issues like quality of character, or leadership, or wisdom, since for the last four years they have not applied. No wonder the language seems foreign to you.
What belief? Kerry did not express an opinion about the content of the report. I want to shame you for not paying attention. Do you even realize that you are repeating back virtually word-for-word the taglines you are hearing at the DNC?Lets' be clear. Russ wants to shame us for a genuine belief in these issues. Any attempt to argue for character is just marketing, according to Russ.
Powerful stuff, that rhetoric. But even if you don't watch much of the convention, the taglines are all repeated for you in the newspaper the next day. Here's USA Today's quote: http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-07-28-911-list_x.htmBtw, considering that I was only regurgitating all of the hype from the convention, I have watched all of thirty minutes of it
And here's yours:Kerry, Bush's opponent in the presidential campaign, says Bush should implement the commission's proposals immediately.
The only substantive difference is one says what Kerry says Bush should do, the other says what Kerry says he would do. Other than that, "implement the commission's proposals immediately" and "immediately implement the 911 commission recommendations" are the exact same words in a different order, minus the "911."...I just heard Kerry state that he would immediately implement the 911 commission recommendations.
russ_watters said:So he wouldn't really be implimenting the recommendations, just starting to formulate a response? That is, btw, the correct course of action - it's just that he'd never say it. Heck, Kerry didn't even have the chance to read the report before saying he'd implement the recommendations immediately. You don't think that might have been a good idea?
Maybe he doesn't agree with all of them - but ehh, who cares, he's acting. [/superhero] Its absurd, meaningless rhetoric.
Voting against your beliefs because a bill will win with or without your support (as discussed in another thread), is not leadership, its hypocrisy and cowardace. Decision making by opinion poll (the Clinton White House) is not leadership,
]Leadership is making difficult and sometimes unpopular decisions because you think they are right, regardless of the personal consequences. Regardless of whether or not you agree with his decisions (and I don't agree with all of them either), the fact that Bush makes them on his own, and acts on them is leadership.
Again, I must stress that the pre-packaged, meaningless marketing of the DNC will certainly be mirrored at the RNC. And the lack of leadership in politicians is a trait shared by most politicians on both sides of the fence. But by and large, the real leaders are only in the Republican party.
Its part of the Democrats core beliefs to make popular decisions, with little regard to whether they are correct decisions.
Russ Waters: “Its part of the Democrats core beliefs to make popular decisions, with little regard to whether they are correct decisions”
GENIERE said:Absolutely correct assuming “ Democratics core beliefs” exist. If so what are they?
Kerry has a strong track record of political experience, having served as a senator for over 30 years and as Secretary of State under the Obama administration. He has a deep understanding of domestic and foreign policy issues and has a detailed plan for addressing current issues such as healthcare, climate change, and immigration reform.
Kerry has a long history of advocating for progressive values and fighting for the rights of all Americans. He has a proven record of working across party lines to get things done and has a vision for a more inclusive and equitable future for our country.
Kerry's economic plan focuses on creating jobs, investing in infrastructure, and supporting small businesses. He also plans to increase the minimum wage and provide tax relief for middle and low-income families. His policies are aimed at creating a strong and sustainable economy for all Americans.
Kerry has a wealth of experience in leadership roles and has proven himself to be a strong and capable leader. He has faced tough challenges and has shown resilience and determination in overcoming them. He also has a strong moral compass and a commitment to serving the American people.
Kerry has a long history of advocating for social justice and equality. He has plans to address issues such as systemic racism, LGBTQ+ rights, and women's rights. He also plans to invest in education and healthcare to provide opportunities for all Americans to thrive.