Jerk in Gravitation: Are Accelerations Equal in Cases of Varying Distances?

In summary, the conversation discusses two setups involving two masses, m1 and m2, separated by different distances, r=20 and r=10 respectively. The question raised is whether the jerk, defined as the rate of change of acceleration, is equal in both cases when all restraining forces are released and gravity takes over. The equation for gravitational acceleration and the ratio of velocity to r3 is mentioned to show that the jerk will initially be zero and increase linearly with time.
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Lets suppose that we setup two instances involving two masses m1 and m2.

m1 > m2

Case 1. The two bodies are separated by a distance r = 20.
Case 2. The two bodies are separated by a distance r = 10.

Suppose that in both setups, we were to release all restraining forces on these two bodies at once and let gravity have its way. Both the accelerations will increase over time because r is decreasing but is the jerk of both cases equal?
 
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What "Jerk" are you referring to?
 
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it's the rate of change of acceleration, or [itex]\frac{d^{3}\vec{r}}{dt^{3}}[/itex]
 
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[tex]Gravitational\,\,acceleration:\quad\vec{a}_1=\frac{Gm_2\vec{r}}{|\vec{r}|^3}\Rightarrow\dot{\vec{a}}_1=\frac{Gm_2\dot{\vec{r}}}{|\vec{r}|^3}-\frac{3Gm_2 (\dot{ \vec{ r}} \cdot \vec{r}) \vec{r}}{| \vec{r}|^5} where\,\,\dot{q}=\frac{\partial{}q}{\partial{}t} for\,\,any \,\,quantity\,\,q[/tex]This equation holds for all types of motion under only (two body) gravitational forces. Suppose the initial relative velocity of the two objects is zero, then near t=0 (when the two objects are released from rest) the motion is well approximated by uniform acceleration, for which the ratio v/r3 is approximately: [tex]|\frac{\dot{\vec{r}}}{|\vec{r}|^3}|\approx\frac{a_ot}{r_o^3}=\frac{Gm_2}{r_o^5}t[/tex]So, the jerk will initially be zero and increase approximately linearly with time (over distances that are small when compared to the initial separation).
 
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I would say that the jerk, or the rate of change of acceleration, in these two cases is not necessarily equal. While the accelerations may increase over time in both cases due to the decreasing distance between the two masses, the initial accelerations will be different due to the differing masses of m1 and m2. This is because the force of gravity between two objects depends on their masses and the distance between them, as described by Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation. Therefore, the acceleration of m1 towards m2 will be greater than the acceleration of m2 towards m1, leading to a difference in jerk between the two cases.
 

1. What is the "Jerk" in gravitation?

The "Jerk" in gravitation refers to the rate at which the acceleration of an object changes over time. It is the third derivative of an object's position with respect to time and is a measure of how quickly or slowly an object's velocity is changing.

2. How is the Jerk calculated in cases of varying distances?

In cases of varying distances, the Jerk is calculated by taking the third derivative of the distance function with respect to time. This means taking the derivative of the acceleration function, which is the second derivative of the position function, with respect to time.

3. Are accelerations equal in cases of varying distances?

No, accelerations are not always equal in cases of varying distances. The Jerk, which is the rate of change of acceleration, can affect the acceleration of an object over time. If the Jerk is zero, then the acceleration will remain constant. However, if the Jerk is not zero, the acceleration will change over time.

4. How does the Jerk affect the motion of an object?

The Jerk can affect the motion of an object in two ways. First, it can cause the acceleration of an object to change over time, leading to changes in velocity and position. Second, the Jerk can introduce oscillations in the motion of an object, causing it to move back and forth around a central point.

5. Can the Jerk be negative?

Yes, the Jerk can be negative. This means that the acceleration of an object is decreasing over time. Negative Jerk can lead to deceleration and eventually bring the object to a stop. It can also cause the object to move in the opposite direction from its initial motion.

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