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Well, I won't get into it, but it wasn't better than normal.Tell us all about it, how was it?
Well, I won't get into it, but it wasn't better than normal.Tell us all about it, how was it?
Closely related to lucid dreaming, this is a typical case of a false awakening. You think you woke up, maybe move around, get up and get a glass of water, then you really wake up. I don't like them. I know I can never tell that its still a dream. Somehow if I "wake up," I take it at face value like normal people do in their dreams. I never, ever think twice.Occasionally I go to sleep and then feel like I wake up the next day and do something stupid. Then I really wake up and think was I dreaming, since I feel regret. On several occasions I have had to convince myself that what I dreamed did not happen at all, since it seemed so real like I had just gone through another day. Would this be considered lucid dreaming? I have no idea.
-Scott
These are dots I was talking about before dancing on the walls. Comparable to a visual static, but it is not seen if you try and "focus" on a part of it.Closed eye hallucinations or closed eye visualizations (CEV) is a term used to describe a distinct class of hallucination, which generally only occurs when one's eyes are closed, or one is in a darkened room.
Ha! See! Its like white and dark little things, like on the white and black static you get on tv.Level 1: Visual Noise
The most basic form of CEV perception that can be immediately experienced in normal waking consciousness involves a seemingly random noise of pointillistic light/dark regions with no apparent shape or order.
The redness comes from the redness of the blood in your eyelid I think? The eyelid is very thin. In bright light I skip Level 1 completely.This can be seen when you close your eyes, but try to actively look with your eyes at the back of your closed eyelids. In a bright room, a dark red can be seen. In a dark room, blackness can be seen. But in either case it is not a flat unchanging redness/blackness. Instead, if actively observed for a few minutes, you become aware of an apparent disorganized motion, a random field of lightness/darkness that overlays the redness/blackness of your closed eyelids.
Uhm... that sounds weird.For a person that tries to actively observe this closed-eye perception on a regular basis, there comes a point where if you look at a flat-shaded object with your eyes wide open, and try to actively look for this visual noise, you will become aware of it and see the random pointilistic disorganized motion as if it were a transparent overlay on top of what is actually being seen by your open eyes.
Couldn't be said better. Sometimes I just like to close my eyes and watch.Level 3: Patterns, motion, and color
At a sufficiently deep level of relaxation, the noise becomes highly organized, taking on complex geometric patterns and shapes, as if it were a field of tiny stars, squares, or diamonds, floating over and under each other in ribbons and fields.
I've never smoked pot before.This level is relatively easily accessible to people that smoke marijuana, and appears to be what most people refer to as the colorful visuals.
Yeah, sounds like me.However, this is also accessible to people involved in deep concentration for long periods of time, such as doing complex math or geometry problems in school. When lying down at night and closing the eyes, right before sleep the complex motion of these patterns can become directly visible without any great effort.
Well that sounds right to me except for the motion. After the moving geometric patterns and shapes, "real" things appear, such as wildcats and owls. Sometimes they can get scary, there is no reason why though.Level 4: Objects and things
This is a fairly deep state, typically only accessible through psychoactives or people who have practiced meditation for a long time. At this level, what you are thinking becomes visually manifest as if it were a real object or environment. When this level is reached, the CEV noise seems to calm down and fade away, leaving behind an intense flat ordered blackness. The visual field becomes a sort of active space where what you think is what you get. A side component of this is the ability to feel motion if your eyes are closed. For example thinking of moving down may cause the interior of an elevator to manifest in the CEV field, along with the distinct perception of physically moving downward.
Uhm... noooooooooo.Opening the eyes returns one to the normal physical world, but still with the CEV object field overlayed onto it and present. In this state it is possible to see things that appear to be physical objects in the open-eye physical world, but that aren't really there.
Wow, insane-o... I can get it to override physical perception if I woke up but never opened my eyes. This is what I aim for every morning. I try and wake up with my eyes closed, so I can go over the dreams I've been having, because they are quite interesting and some may want to be remembered. I keep them closed and create a fantasy world, sometimes after long enough, and if I'm calm enough, I can fall asleep into the fantasy.Level 5: Overriding physical perception
This is the point where it appears to the outside world that a person is either unconscious or insane. The internal CEV perceptions and think-it/feel-it perceptions become stronger than physical perceptions, and completely override and replace open-eye physical perceptions. This can be a somewhat dangerous state if a person is still mobile while literally off in their own little world, but by this time most people are motionless on the couch and as such, are not likely to do something hazardous to themselves or others.
This is the point where most hallucinogenic references say it is a good idea to have a "sitter" present to watch over the person using the chemicals, and keep them from accidentally harming themselves or others while deep into their own world.
Called lucid dreaming, welcome to the club! Eh, you just got to do it. Do it before thinking too much about it, because you know you are dreaming.I've also had some "clear dreams" were I know that I'm dreaming, and can control much of what's happening. This one time I tried to "confront my fear" by walking down a hall to meet whatever might hide in the shadows at the dark end. Even though I was fully aware that it was all just a dream, I simply couldn't do it. I didn't dare walking into the darkness. I still wonder if I would have died of fear if I had done it.
loseyourname said:Okay, hypnagogue asked me to describe what it's like to drink absinthe. Unfortunately, for the most part, I don't really remember. I've only drank it once, and I actually made a concerted effort not to drink too much. I played the role of instigator that night, daring and prodding those who had drunk too much into performing outrageous actions that they would otherwise never do, largely so that I could photograph them and have something interesting to write in my journal (I was in the middle of a road trip and documentation was the word of the day).*
The strongest feeling I can actually remember is that of disconnection. I didn't seem to be participating in any directed way in what I was doing, or what was going on. I experienced things as an observer rather than as an actor. One thing I would like to say about this is that this may not be a typical effect of absinthe. It seems likely that what happened is that the absinthe simply intensified a sense of disconnection that I often feel in awkward social situations to begin with. I've always had a tendency to experience life as if it were a novel, a story that I was either writing or reading. In this case, I was the reader rather than the writer, and some other part of me took control of crafting the narrative, a part whose motivations I have no access to in my memory.
The other notable quality of the experience is the complete lack of fear. Absinthe is alcoholic, and alcohol already lowers one's inhibition level, but this did it to the extreme. I had the sense of being in a reality without rules. It wasn't like I could violate the laws of physics or transcend my physical limitations or anything that profound; it was simply that I had the feeling that the social rules which normally dictate human behavior were gone. All of us were reduced to the level of primal beasts, literally becoming the monsters that lurk just beneath the surface of the knowable psyche. Consider the situation of Caligula. As Emperor, there were no real consequences to his actions. He could do whatever he wished to do and get away with it. Moreover, he seemed to reach the point where morality no longer made any difference to his decisions; it simply seemed to no longer exist in his world. It was something like that.
*I realize this might make me sound like somewhat of a sociopath, but whatever.
loseyourname said:This is definitely one I can expand on somewhat. It has mostly to do with the way I feel about events that occur in my life, as well as my motivations for bringing about certain events and avoiding others. Typically, or at least I get the impression that typically, people are pleased by generally good events and angered or saddened by generally bad events. While I do often feel the same way in regards to an immediate emotional response, I do not always, and oftentimes I do not feel these ways even in the immediate response. Instead, I feel the way a writer does when crafting a story. If a certain events moves the plot forward or reveals a particular aspect of character development, or even seems to make a metaphorical point if looked at from the outside, then it pleases me. If it does not, then I am not satisfied. I have to note that I do not always feel this way, particularly with regards to my immediate responses to events, but when I do, my interactions with people can become rather awkward, as the way I feel about what is going on becomes completely different from the way they feel, and I would even say that my experience of the event as being in context with a fuller narrative is probably completely different from the other person's experience. My experience is artistic rather than visceral.
If you consider the difference between watching Romeo after killing
Tybalt to actually being Romeo at that time, you can get an idea of what I mean. Romeo cries out that he is fortune's fool, in a moment of absolute despair. I would venture the guess that he probably feels nothing but despair. A viewer of the play, however, is moved by a different set of emotions, an appreciation of how fate is playing out to construct what is a beautiful tragedy. In many ways, I would rather lead a beautiful life than a happy life.
Where this manifests most explicitly is in the way I make life-decisions. Most people will simply do what makes them happy, or what they think will bring them success. But a stable home life, meaningful relationships, and material success have never been particularly important to me. When I decide what to do on the large scale of overarching plans (choosing a partner, school, job, whatever), I always take into consideration first and foremost how it will contribute to the story of my life. Does it take the plot in a new and interesting direction? Does it make any kind of artistic statement? Or, more pedestrianly, does it make for a good read?
Mk said:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed-eye_hallucination
This is awesome1!
I asked about this before in this part of the forum, and found no answer, but browsing about Wikipedia I've found it!
KLASFJKLSGJKLS@! I'm sooo happy!
These are dots I was talking about before dancing on the walls. Comparable to a visual static, but it is not seen if you try and "focus" on a part of it.
Ha! See! Its like white and dark little things, like on the white and black static you get on tv.
The redness comes from the redness of the blood in your eyelid I think? The eyelid is very thin. In bright light I skip Level 1 completely.
Uhm... that sounds weird.
Couldn't be said better. Sometimes I just like to close my eyes and watch.
I've never smoked pot before.
Yeah, sounds like me.
Well that sounds right to me except for the motion. After the moving geometric patterns and shapes, "real" things appear, such as wildcats and owls. Sometimes they can get scary, there is no reason why though.
Uhm... noooooooooo.
Wow, insane-o... I can get it to override physical perception if I woke up but never opened my eyes. This is what I aim for every morning. I try and wake up with my eyes closed, so I can go over the dreams I've been having, because they are quite interesting and some may want to be remembered. I keep them closed and create a fantasy world, sometimes after long enough, and if I'm calm enough, I can fall asleep into the fantasy.
Nobody else has these?
Come to think of it, I hallucinate a lot by comparison to other people I think. If I'm in a darkened room, and am calm, I will see the flashing black and white visual static, and when looking into the edges of where the ceiling and wall meet, it will appear for them to move. If things are very dark, and are very hard to distinguish from their surroundings, they will appear to move. All three of these hallucinations are alike in that if I try and focus on a region the whole thing will stop. Does anyone know a person I can contact about all these weird things?
Its not floaters.Dead cells float around in the liquid core of your eye and will show up on your vision as they float past the retina. You can also see things like the back of your own eye as a reflection, and I'm sure I've actually seen blood flowing in my retina, or somewhere else in my eye, before now.
Oh, no way man! This is very subtle, and it is so subtle that its almost like you're not seeing it... because you're not. But I doubt that shrooms could bring you up to a level of consciousness parallel to some lucid dreams I've had.But complexPHILOSOPHY is right, all of this is nothing compared to what you'll experience with the help of something like magic mushrooms.
What was that?I remember cycling home after eating some psilocybe truffles that hadn't worked very well (they'd been in storage for a while and the psilocybin had obviously started to break down). It was funny actually, I was, without thinking, repeating Hoffmann's own psychodelic bicycle ride home.
Does anyone else here a sometimes very annoying "hum" that you hear when it is ALL quiet? TOTALLY quiet, the hum comes in, it can be quite loud. It is not a hum... but akin to the sound of moving air in a conch shell. In fact, that is probably what it is.1) It's a background sound. An hour ago, I went out in the street, where it was raining, and the sound of the rain completely blacked out the high tone. When I came in, I heard it again.
2) It can resonate. Whenever my laptop or the tv sends out the same sound, I hear the tone being reinforced.. sometimes I even noticed beating, when the frequencies are very similar.
3) Not sure about the beating though ; there's something that seems like beating, when I try to analyze the sound, with no other sounds in the proximity. It seems like a constant tone, but when I imagine a sine wave, it seems as if the tone starts to oscillate as well.
Grizzlycomet said:I've been trying to teach myself Lucid Dreaming, conciously perceiving that you are in a dream. A common way to try to induce a lucid dream is WILD, Waking induction of lucid dreaming. Basically you try to keep your mind awake while your body goes to sleep. The key is the hypnagogic state, which often induces both auditory and visual hallucinations. So no, I don't think you're insane for hearing things before you go to sleep
Lars Laborious said:... This one time I tried to "confront my fear" by walking down a hall to meet whatever might hide in the shadows at the dark end. Even though I was fully aware that it was all just a dream, I simply couldn't do it. I didn't dare walking into the darkness. I still wonder if I would have died of fear if I had done it.
Sorry, I've forgotten just what you are wanting. I posted my own "nutty images" at thread "tiny pictures", references the wiki article, maybe pertinent...Alex11111 said:Nobody else has these?
I have noticed this lately, but my question is why so happy? You identified the problem, but its still a problem. Is there any treatment for this, its ridicules to try to fall asleep with this.
Let me know, thanks.
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