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We're a small nonprofit that hosts a single annual event. For advertising this event we construct a large sign on a hilltop that's visible from the nearby highway. In years past this sign would last a few weeks before it would be destroyed by wind. Obviously our guess on how strong it needs to be were inadequate; thus now it's time for the math...
We'd like to know (1) how to estimate the wind loads on the sign, and (2) any comments on our proposed new design.
Site characteristics: Exposure C or D - a grassy hilltop, continuous winds of 60mph are common, gusts of 100mph are common. The prevailing wind is onto the back of the sign.
History: The http://hauntedmines.org/pics/h2006-2007-build-sjr-0884.jpg was block letters cutout from OSB (like plywood), each letter 8ft tall. So it's not a solid billboard. These were attached to 4" round wood posts, with the letter bottoms about 4ft off the ground. The failure mode was that the letters themselves snapped (we saw that one coming!), and on the bigger letters the 4x4 posts snapped just above ground.
Second year's sign was build from 4x4 posts, using 2x4 diagonal braces on the back. The letters were attached to a big wood grid approx 96ft wide, with the bottoms 6-7 ft off the ground. See http://hauntedmines.org/pics/h2008-build-080930-143904.jpg. Failure was that the braces pulled up & out from the back and the 4x4 posts snapped like toothpicks. The letters themselves survived OK.
Third sign we built from 6x6 posts, using 2x4 and 4x4 diagonal braces on the back. It looked like the prior year just a bit bigger. We were feeling (over)confident so we made 10ft hi letters, and the top of the sign was about 18ft off the ground. We also started adding 3/16" steel cable guy wires to front and back of each post going 45-degrees down to the ground. We only got three sets installed before a huge winstorm came. Failure mode was the un-guyed posts snapped just above ground, splintering the 4x4 diagonal braces in tension! The three guy-wired posts fractured near the centers but remained standing, like one might see under a buckling load.
Wind Load Guess: Now for some math - and the needed help. Looking around the web for wind load formulas, I'm estimating a 100mph wind would put about 30psi onto the back of the sign, as a uniform load. I figured the cutout letters would be about 2/3rds of a flat plate. Is that about right?
New Design Idea: We're poor, so it has to be done cheap. OUr new design will increase it to 12ft letters on a frame 120ft wide, 20ft high at the top. We found that steel beams aren't too costly. So we plan to use seven 20ft 6W9 steel I-beams set on concrete piers, 20ft apart. The grid for the letters will be four steel cables stretched taught, running horizontally spaced 4ft apart, and we'll clamp the letters to the the cables. Each post will be guy-wired 45-degrees down to ground anchors front and back.
And the ends, posts will also have guy wires off to each side so the whole frame doesn't rack left or right. See http://hauntedmines.org/pics/hm2012-Giant-Hill-Sign.png.
Comments and ideas welcome. Thanx!
- Steve
We're a small nonprofit that hosts a single annual event. For advertising this event we construct a large sign on a hilltop that's visible from the nearby highway. In years past this sign would last a few weeks before it would be destroyed by wind. Obviously our guess on how strong it needs to be were inadequate; thus now it's time for the math...
We'd like to know (1) how to estimate the wind loads on the sign, and (2) any comments on our proposed new design.
Site characteristics: Exposure C or D - a grassy hilltop, continuous winds of 60mph are common, gusts of 100mph are common. The prevailing wind is onto the back of the sign.
History: The http://hauntedmines.org/pics/h2006-2007-build-sjr-0884.jpg was block letters cutout from OSB (like plywood), each letter 8ft tall. So it's not a solid billboard. These were attached to 4" round wood posts, with the letter bottoms about 4ft off the ground. The failure mode was that the letters themselves snapped (we saw that one coming!), and on the bigger letters the 4x4 posts snapped just above ground.
Second year's sign was build from 4x4 posts, using 2x4 diagonal braces on the back. The letters were attached to a big wood grid approx 96ft wide, with the bottoms 6-7 ft off the ground. See http://hauntedmines.org/pics/h2008-build-080930-143904.jpg. Failure was that the braces pulled up & out from the back and the 4x4 posts snapped like toothpicks. The letters themselves survived OK.
Third sign we built from 6x6 posts, using 2x4 and 4x4 diagonal braces on the back. It looked like the prior year just a bit bigger. We were feeling (over)confident so we made 10ft hi letters, and the top of the sign was about 18ft off the ground. We also started adding 3/16" steel cable guy wires to front and back of each post going 45-degrees down to the ground. We only got three sets installed before a huge winstorm came. Failure mode was the un-guyed posts snapped just above ground, splintering the 4x4 diagonal braces in tension! The three guy-wired posts fractured near the centers but remained standing, like one might see under a buckling load.
Wind Load Guess: Now for some math - and the needed help. Looking around the web for wind load formulas, I'm estimating a 100mph wind would put about 30psi onto the back of the sign, as a uniform load. I figured the cutout letters would be about 2/3rds of a flat plate. Is that about right?
New Design Idea: We're poor, so it has to be done cheap. OUr new design will increase it to 12ft letters on a frame 120ft wide, 20ft high at the top. We found that steel beams aren't too costly. So we plan to use seven 20ft 6W9 steel I-beams set on concrete piers, 20ft apart. The grid for the letters will be four steel cables stretched taught, running horizontally spaced 4ft apart, and we'll clamp the letters to the the cables. Each post will be guy-wired 45-degrees down to ground anchors front and back.
And the ends, posts will also have guy wires off to each side so the whole frame doesn't rack left or right. See http://hauntedmines.org/pics/hm2012-Giant-Hill-Sign.png.
Comments and ideas welcome. Thanx!
- Steve