Dirac Notation: Am I doing this right?

In summary, the conversation discusses finding the momentum operator for a harmonic oscillator using ladder operators, and a specific problem using the momentum operator for a superposition of states. The resulting answer is not zero as it is a superposition of different quantum states.
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Homework Statement


Find <P>. P = i√(mhw/2)(a†-a). Note a† and a are the ladder operators. P is the momentum operator of the harmonic oscillator.

|ψ > = (1/sqrt(2))[ |1> - i |2>]

The answer should be zero, can someone check my work?

Homework Equations


a† |n> = sqrt(n+1)|n+1>

a |n> = sqrt(n)|n-1>

The Attempt at a Solution


I think my first step here might be wrong. I assumed that <ψ | = (1/sqrt(2))[ <1| + i <2|].

<P> = <ψ | P | ψ > = (1/sqrt(2))[ <1| + i <2|] i√(mhw/2)(a†-a) (1/sqrt(2))[ |1> - i |2>]

= (1/2)i√(mhw/2)[ <1| + i <2|] * (a†|1> - i*a†|2> - a|1> + i*a|2>]

= (1/2)i√(mhw/2)[ <1| + i <2|] * [sqrt(2)|2> - i*sqrt(3)|3> - sqrt(1)|0> + i*sqrt(2)|1>]

Since <x|y> = 1 when x = y but 0 otherwise, this reduces to

= (1/2)i√(mhw/2)[ <1| + i <2|] * [sqrt(2)|2> - i*sqrt(3)|3> - sqrt(1)|0> + i*sqrt(2)|1>]

=(1/2)i√(mhw/2) (isqrt(2)<1|1> + isqrt(2)<2|2>) = (1/2)i√(mhw/2) ( 2isqrt(2))

= -sqrt(mhw)

But I think the answer is supposed to be zero. What am I doing wrong here?

I already checked for sign mistakes 3 times, and I can't find any.
 
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No matter how I work it out, your result is correct.

The answer is not zero.

What you'r thinking of is [itex]\left\langle n \right| P \left| n \right\rangle[/itex] = 0,

which is a specific case of the general expression

[itex]\left\langle n' \right| P \left| n \right\rangle= i\sqrt{\frac{mhω}{2}}(-\sqrt{n}δ_{n',n-1}+\sqrt{n+1}δ_{n',n+1})[/itex]

Since your wavefunction is a superposition of states, it doesn't turn out to be zero. I can show my work if you like.

I found this in a textbook I have. Quantum Mechanics Concepts and Applications 2nd, Zettili, pg 248.
 
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Thank you very much! I am a bit confused though, what are n and n prime? I don't really get how what I have is different from <n | P | n> = 0?

Does this mean it only works for pure states?
 
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jumbogala said:
Thank you very much! I am a bit confused though, what are n and n prime? I don't really get how what I have is different from <n | P | n> = 0?

Does this mean it only works for pure states?

n and n prime are two different quantum states.

This means [itex] \left\langle 1 \right| P \left| 1 \right\rangle = 0 [/itex] but [itex] \left\langle 2 \right| P \left| 1 \right\rangle[/itex] is not equal to zero.


when I worked it out, it turns out that [itex]\left\langle 1 \right| P \left| 2 \right\rangle = -\left\langle 2 \right| P \left| 1 \right\rangle = -i\sqrt{mhω}[/itex]

Here is a picture of my messy scratchwork. :redface:
http://i.imgur.com/ekIjb.jpg
 
  • #5
Excellent, that was super helpful! Thanks again :) I understand now.
 
  • #6
You're welcome! I actually remembered not to forget this rule myself!
 

FAQ: Dirac Notation: Am I doing this right?

1. What is Dirac notation?

Dirac notation, also known as bra-ket notation, is a mathematical notation used to represent quantum states in quantum mechanics. It was developed by physicist Paul Dirac and is widely used in quantum mechanics and quantum information theory.

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The bra-ket notation consists of two symbols: the bra, represented by ⟨, which represents a row vector, and the ket, represented by ⟩, which represents a column vector. Together, they form a bracket ⟨⟩ which is used to represent an inner product between two vectors.

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